The Hindu milk miracle

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Are you familiar with it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_milk_miracle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiyTogk9kp4

Any plausible scientific explanations?

[Gman]

Are you familiar with it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_milk_miracle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiyTogk9kp4

Any plausible scientific explanations?

Only demonic ones most likely... 2 Thessalonians 2:9

Or it is a spoof...

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Only demonic ones most likely... 2 Thessalonians 2:9

That's an interesting avenue that I've contemplated, but it seems to me the non-Christian can use the same reasoning for Christian miracles.

For example, the Muslim can say that the resurrection of Jesus was something Satan from the Qur'an did to fool people.

Or it is a spoof...

No, it's not. It was on the news in dozens of countries across the planet.

[Gman]

That's an interesting avenue that I've contemplated, but it seems to me the non-Christian can use the same reasoning for Christian miracles.

For example, the Muslim can say that the resurrection of Jesus was something Satan from the Qur'an did to fool people.

Of course.. No surprise there. Many also accused Jesus of having satanic powers in his day. Luke 11:14-15 Actually I would be surprised if they didn't whenever they saw a miracle.

No, it's not. It was on the news in dozens of countries across the planet.

I believe a majority of them are fake or are altered in some way. As an example you never see the entire spoon under the mouth of the idol. It simply could be bent to drip off that end.

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Of course.. No surprise there. Many also accused Jesus of having satanic powers in his day. Luke 11:14-15 Actually I would be surprised if they didn't whenever they saw a miracle.

Okay - so how is your reasoning any better than theirs?

No, it's not. It was on the news in dozens of countries across the planet.

I believe a majority of them are fake or are altered in some way.

No reason to assume that. It was a public event, that occured more than once, and was recorded on cameras. You're just applying an unreasonable level of skepticism because doing otherwise would contradict your philosophical presuppositions.

As an example you never see the entire spoon under the mouth of the idol. It simply could be bent to drip off that end.

Oh please. This clearly isn't true. You can see the whole spoon beneath the statue's mouth in 0:08. For crying out loud, millions of Hindu followers participated in the event, and even a group of scientists went there to investigate it. It's not a hoax.

[Canuckster1127]

How did the magicians in Pharoah's court replicate Moses' miracles?

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Gman has brought up a similar point already.

[Canuckster1127]

Yes I know. Remind me what your answer was?

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That his reasoning is no better than the Pharisees whom he chastises.

In any event, the point of this thread isn't to figure out how this phenomenon can fit in the context of a Christian worldview, it is to try to offer a plausible scientific explanation if one can be given.

[humblesmurph]

That's freaky. Gotta get Penn and Teller on that.

[Canuckster1127]

That his reasoning is no better than the Pharisees whom he chastises.

In any event, the point of this thread isn't to figure out how this phenomenon can fit in the context of a Christian worldview, it is to try to offer a plausible scientific explanation if one can be given.

Why do you assume that a Christian Worldview and science are incompatable?

[humblesmurph]

That his reasoning is no better than the Pharisees whom he chastises.

In any event, the point of this thread isn't to figure out how this phenomenon can fit in the context of a Christian worldview, it is to try to offer a plausible scientific explanation if one can be given.

Why do you assume that a Christian Worldview and science are incompatable?

Wait, they aren't? Don't Christians have to take some things on faith? Isn't the idea of somebody raising from the dead contrary to science?

[Canuckster1127]

Science as a method is in no ways contrary to Christianity nor incompatible.

Methodological materialism extrapolated out from science with the assumption that there is no God at work in the universe is not science; it is a worldview and philosophical framework that most definitely is not compatible with Christianity.

I'm curious as to why a professed Christian is confusing the two.

That's all.

[humblesmurph]

Science as a method is in no ways contrary to Christianity nor incompatible.

Methodological materialism extrapolated out from science with the assumption that there is no God at work in the universe is not science; it is a worldview and philosophical framework that most definitely is not compatible with Christianity.

I'm curious as to why a professed Christian is confusing the two.

That's all.

oh.

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Why do you assume that a Christian Worldview and science are incompatable?

I am...not. I don't know how you got to that conclusion.

I already demonstrated why attributing it to demons forces you to rely on double-standards with respect to miracles in the Bible. I do not, therefore, consider this explanation to be adequate.

I'm curious as to why a professed Christian is confusing the two.

Oh please. I can just smell sarcasm here. Really, I take offense at this. No matter how hard it is to believe, the fact that I argue against Christians doesn't make me a non-Christian.