Science and progress...man creating miracles!

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:15 am

Hi all, Id like to introduce myself to this interesting group of people, and welcome all advise that i am sure will come my way. As my profile indicates i am currently employed as a researcher and have been blown away by the speed of progress in various areas of science which will ultimately benefit many desperately ill/ disabled people. I would like to ask whether you guys think these modern day miracles are an act of god or man? Please dont reply with some chicken and egg story about god creating us so in actual fact god is resposible for these breakthroughs. Are people such as myself, that are striving towards such cures, undoing gods will that these people should be suffering, or are we infact modern day saints, performing man-made miracles as an act of good will towards those less fortunate, because I can tell you one thing for sure...we aint in it for the money!

Felgar · Post by **Felgar** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:30 am

Hi Dr. Evil.

Sorry I have no time to get the scripture references, but I wanted to say two things.

First is that all good things come from God. Not only our individual capabilities, which would affect our actions and thoughts, but more than that... God certainly has the capability to reveal new ideas to people, and throughout history I certainly believe this has happened at times in science.

Second is that Satan's purpose is to "lie, cheat, and destroy." He wants nothing but suffering for everyone - for that is his very nature. So then, the conclusion is that when substantial good is done in the world, God is clearly using people as instruments of His mercy for the good of those He loves.

So clearly, my general view is that many scientists are doing the will of God, whether or not they recognize it.

Mastermind · Post by **Mastermind** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:35 am

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with Felgar. Yes, Satan does want suffering, but does he want us to physically suffer? Or is our damnation his master plan? I think the latter makes more sense, and if Satan can use those who do good to us physically(like doctors) to destroy our spirit(like spreading the idea that most scientists are atheists, and thus fooling people into abandoning their beliefs), he will, and he does. It is always good to remember what Jesus said: "Fear not that which can destroy the body, but fear that which can destroy both body and soul".

Felgar · Post by **Felgar** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:55 am

Point taken about Satan looking at a larger picture MM... I agree with that actually. For instance, in our Western cultures Satan will leave people be just so they are comfortable and don't question anything. If he can convince people that they are so capable and in control, and that they're rich and need nothing, then he has shown people that they don't need God and therefore there must not be a God. That's his general strategy in most of the affluent nations.

But he still seeks to destroy, and to the extent that it's possible while keeping in mind that larger picture, he certainly will do it. For instance, he can use love of money, greed, pride, power, and a whole bunch of other things to cause us to suffer also. Is not the suicide rate higher in industrialized nations? That indicates to me that he works to give us the appearance of a 'good life' but really what he's done is cut us off from our loving God as a society, to the severe detrement of the people.

AttentionKMartShoppers · Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:14 pm

Well, miracles are things that are impossible. So, what you're talking about really aren't miracles. And since you're obviously talking about stem cell research (most likely embryonic here) I don't think it would be an act of God to kill one life to possibly save another one.

Prodigal Son · Post by **Prodigal Son** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:57 pm

i think all miracles are an act of God. i also think that nothing can happen if it is not his will.

scientists/doctors can cure and make advancements only because he allows them to. the credit is his, not yours or anyone else's.

Mastermind · Post by **Mastermind** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:48 am

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:Well, miracles are things that are impossible. So, what you're talking about really aren't miracles. And since you're obviously talking about stem cell research (most likely embryonic here) I don't think it would be an act of God to kill one life to possibly save another one.

If miracles are impossible then by definition they don't exist. Think about it for a second.

AttentionKMartShoppers · Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:28 pm

Mastermind wrote:
AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:Well, miracles are things that are impossible. So, what you're talking about really aren't miracles. And since you're obviously talking about stem cell research (most likely embryonic here) I don't think it would be an act of God to kill one life to possibly save another one.
If miracles are impossible then by definition they don't exist. Think about it for a second.

Impossible for man to do...like walking on water, raising the stinking dead, water to wine instantly (or in a matter of seconds), and everything else Jesus and God have done...THINK!