Job...how could God do that? Either He isn't who we think He is or the story is wrong? It seems we really can't trust Him beyond Him bringing us into the kingdom if we are saved. We can't trust that He will protect us, or our families...it just may not be His plan. And our pain, does He consider it because He didn't consider Job's.
Or do I have it all wrong? Any insights?
How Could God Do That To Job?
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Re: How Could God Do That To Job?
He can since he made him/us, shall the clay ask the potter?
But that God doesn't care for us, is sadly not true, he does care and love us but sometimes we just can not comprehend his love. And sometimes we have to give up our everything to follow him, that is true and most of the western church is not preaching it, since it is not facing anything, but Christians in the former U.S.SR, modern China, Korea, Burma, Thailand, Pakistan, India and the ex soviet block have seen a lot of tribulation, their families killed, their homes burnt, their jobs lost. It is still happening today. So be in no doubt about it - there are parts of the world today where people pay a price for being a christian, yet their faith remains.
the best response is stated in Daniel chapter 3, when Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego refused to bow the image of Gold and instead accepted the punishment to burnt alive. Read it, if you haven't.
But that God doesn't care for us, is sadly not true, he does care and love us but sometimes we just can not comprehend his love. And sometimes we have to give up our everything to follow him, that is true and most of the western church is not preaching it, since it is not facing anything, but Christians in the former U.S.SR, modern China, Korea, Burma, Thailand, Pakistan, India and the ex soviet block have seen a lot of tribulation, their families killed, their homes burnt, their jobs lost. It is still happening today. So be in no doubt about it - there are parts of the world today where people pay a price for being a christian, yet their faith remains.
the best response is stated in Daniel chapter 3, when Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego refused to bow the image of Gold and instead accepted the punishment to burnt alive. Read it, if you haven't.
The best part is highlighted, they know God can save them but they are ready even if he doesn't and they will not renounce their faith. Our faith should be strong, not that we can not imagine such a thing happening to us. It is very naive of anyone to think like this. I think we should always trust God no matter how unjust it may feel, in the end he will always have a way out.Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us from Your Majesty’s hand. But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.”
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
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the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
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Re: How Could God Do That To Job?
And also - God didn't do it - the devil did.
Look what Job reaped after though as well. Plus all his previous family in heaven.
Look what Job reaped after though as well. Plus all his previous family in heaven.
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Re: How Could God Do That To Job?
God can protect. He has insured our eternal protection in Christ.
What can seperate us from the love of Christ? Answer: Nothing.
It is pretty apparent that in creating man as a self-aware conscious being with free will, that God did not insulate man ultimately from temptation and danger. Adam and Eve, although in the garden, were still at risk of the serpents attempts. Of course they also had direct access to God, and were in no danger within the constraints God had provided. God had set a boundary around A&E, that if they abided in, they would be fully protected. This was trusting God at His Word. As soon as Eve violated this trust, then the protection afforded man, was lifted, and man was cast out from God, exposed to danger and worse, death.
Job's life only demonstrates that beyond these boundaries there is no garuantee of a protected physical life. The most godly people alive have all died, some terrible and miserable deaths. God 1st showed His promise to restore this through His covenant with Israel. If Israel trusted God, Israel would be protected and blessed. This applied to them as a nation. In Christ, God has a plan to restore the individual to full protection.
What can seperate us from the love of Christ? Answer: Nothing.
It is pretty apparent that in creating man as a self-aware conscious being with free will, that God did not insulate man ultimately from temptation and danger. Adam and Eve, although in the garden, were still at risk of the serpents attempts. Of course they also had direct access to God, and were in no danger within the constraints God had provided. God had set a boundary around A&E, that if they abided in, they would be fully protected. This was trusting God at His Word. As soon as Eve violated this trust, then the protection afforded man, was lifted, and man was cast out from God, exposed to danger and worse, death.
Job's life only demonstrates that beyond these boundaries there is no garuantee of a protected physical life. The most godly people alive have all died, some terrible and miserable deaths. God 1st showed His promise to restore this through His covenant with Israel. If Israel trusted God, Israel would be protected and blessed. This applied to them as a nation. In Christ, God has a plan to restore the individual to full protection.
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Re: How Could God Do That To Job?
Another way to look at it:
Do you think that in the end, during the eternity in which Job will live someday, that this life will be of great concern because of his pain? I dare say that he will be glad what happened, because of how close it forced him to become in knowing who God is.
How could God have allowed that stuff? His timeline is a bit different, His perspective is a lot higher, and His plans are a lot better. I like what Narnia has to say about Aslan "Of course he's dangerous! But he's good!"
Do you think that in the end, during the eternity in which Job will live someday, that this life will be of great concern because of his pain? I dare say that he will be glad what happened, because of how close it forced him to become in knowing who God is.
How could God have allowed that stuff? His timeline is a bit different, His perspective is a lot higher, and His plans are a lot better. I like what Narnia has to say about Aslan "Of course he's dangerous! But he's good!"
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“When you see a man with a great deal of religion displayed in his shop window, you may depend upon it, he keeps a very small stock of it within” C.H. Spurgeon
1st Corinthians 1:17- "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel””not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power"
“When you see a man with a great deal of religion displayed in his shop window, you may depend upon it, he keeps a very small stock of it within” C.H. Spurgeon
1st Corinthians 1:17- "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel””not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power"