Paganism

[B. W.]

Were you all aware that at the US Air force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colorado, that the govt has used your tax dollars, stimulus money, to build a Druid/pagan, worship site on the academy grounds for ten cadets?

Local May 3, 2011 News Link

News report link

What next?

Looks like the great falling away has begun...
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[Jarpenguin]

Our hard earned tax money should not be spent on ANYTHING related to religion at all... Especially not for the religious beliefs of a very small minority of cadets... Spend it on something worthwhile at least!

[bigTop]

Is there not a chapel located at each military base? Why should one belief system be allowed to have a worship site, yet another is not?

[Murray]

Is there not a chapel located at each military base? Why should one belief system be allowed to have a worship site, yet another is not?

Because it is an extreme super minority and when they graduate I'm sure it will never be used again, and most chapels on military grounds recieve large donations of money from let's say, the catholic church so the government is not paying as much. From your logic I could say I believe every strain of grass is a god and I require a grass temple to worship grass even though I am probably the only person who ever will worship grass, It simply makes no sence to waste gov money on this.

"The problem with quotes found on the internet is you have no way of confirming their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln

You could copy and paste them into google and see what comes up

[DannyM]

Our hard earned tax money should not be spent on ANYTHING related to religion at all... Especially not for the religious beliefs of a very small minority of cadets... Spend it on something worthwhile at least!

What about funding or part funding of organisations and foundations which provide value to the community and economy?

[Murray]

What about funding or part funding of organisations and foundations which provide value to the community and economy?

What? How dare the church help homeless people!!! This is an outrage!!! Seperation of Church in state (not in the constutition)!!!!!!!!! I will not have this evil and vile religon with hospitals, charitys, orphanages, and shelters all around the world have any relation to our form of government. Governent should be godless and vile, just like everything else in this world!

That's the way it should be!

[DannyM]

I will not have this evil and vile religon with hospitals, charitys, orphanages, and shelters all around the world...

Precisely. The paranoid ‘complete separation’ advocates - and there are many Christians who peddle this illogical idea - aren’t really looking at this the right way up.

[RickD]

Our hard earned tax money should not be spent on ANYTHING related to religion at all... Especially not for the religious beliefs of a very small minority of cadets... Spend it on something worthwhile at least!

I tend to agree with Jarpenguin. Although, once the govt. has our money, we don't have much say on how it's spent. IMO, one of the greatest things about this country is that we are supposed to have a Pluralistic society. One that allows for the freedom to practice any religion, while not promoting or establishing any particular religion. Even the religion of the majority of the inhabitants. No other country is blessed with that freedom as much as we are.

It should be the job of the people, not the govt. to feed the poor. Individual people and churches should be doing that. Not our govt. IMO.

I don't think our govt. should be promoting ANY religion.

[DannyM]

I tend to agree with Jarpenguin. Although, once the govt. has our money, we don't have much say on how it's spent. IMO, one of the greatest things about this country is that we are supposed to have a Pluralistic society. One that allows for the freedom to practice any religion, while not promoting or establishing any particular religion. Even the religion of the majority of the inhabitants. No other country is blessed with that freedom as much as we are.

It should be the job of the people, not the govt. to feed the poor. Individual people and churches should be doing that. Not our govt. IMO.

I don't think our govt. should be promoting ANY religion.

personally speaking, Rick, none of my suggestions would entail a negation of a pluralist society

nor would they lead to a promotion of a particular religion

nor would it take away from those people helping the poor

We have the Welfare State over here, where government clearly seeks to help the poor. Trouble is government over here also feeds the layabout

Peter Hitchens has it about right

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/ ... shop-.html

[RickD]

Danny wrote:

We have the Welfare State over here, where government clearly seeks to help the poor. Trouble is government over here also feeds the layabout

Danny are you sure you don't live in the U.S.?

Our country is quickly becoming a welfare state as well. Especially with this administration in place.

I guess I just don't agree with the Christians here who want to "take back our country". Or "get back to our Christian roots". I don't believe our founding fathers wanted this country to ever be anything resembling a theocracy. The ff were trying to flee from the tyranny, and state religion of England.

[RickD]

Our hard earned tax money should not be spent on ANYTHING related to religion at all... Especially not for the religious beliefs of a very small minority of cadets... Spend it on something worthwhile at least!

What about funding or part funding of organisations and foundations which provide value to the community and economy?

Danny, the biggest problem with implementing this in the U.S.,is that once the govt. Subsidizes something, they now have a say in how to run the program.

If we as a country, do these things apart from govt funding, we can spend our money on things that we choose, and companies and charities that have the same beliefs as our own. Once the govt funds something, they want some kind of control of that entity.

[DannyM]

Our country is quickly becoming a welfare state as well. Especially with this administration in place

Yes well the Left has a tendency to dispense with the chastity belt when it gets its hands on the purse strings and nowhere is this clearer than with the Welfare State

I guess I just don't agree with the Christians here who want to "take back our country". Or "get back to our Christian roots". I don't believe our founding fathers wanted this country to ever be anything resembling a theocracy. The ff were trying to flee from the tyranny, and state religion of England.

I totally agree and I’m not supporting this view. I’m saying government can recognise the value of Christian organisations to the economy. I’m all for the private Christian organisations marching on in their phenomenal work.

In my area alone I know of dozens of cases where former addicts, destitutes, etc, have been rehabilitated through mainly Christian organisations and are, in one fell swoop, on their way to coming off Welfare dependency and into the positive economy. How much is this multiplied in our two countries alone? I’m saying if some of these marvellous Christian organisations hit some financial hard times, then government must recognise a potential weakening of a local economy, and thus the wider economy, and act accordingly. (This does not apply exclusively to Christianity, by the way - if secular/ other-religious groups produce these kinds of results for the economy and can be supported by government then excellent!) And remember the economy gets its money back and so life’s pretty good. I’m sorry if I’m unclear in parts because I’m just thinking this from memories of previous thoughts of this so haven’t written it down and it might have a hole or two. Looks good to me so far though. What’s wrong with this professional, logical treatment of the economy?

[DannyM]

Our hard earned tax money should not be spent on ANYTHING related to religion at all... Especially not for the religious beliefs of a very small minority of cadets... Spend it on something worthwhile at least!

What about funding or part funding of organisations and foundations which provide value to the community and economy?

Danny, the biggest problem with implementing this in the U.S.,is that once the govt. Subsidizes something, they now have a say in how to run the program.

If we as a country, do these things apart from govt funding, we can spend our money on things that we choose, and companies and charities that have the same beliefs as our own. Once the govt funds something, they want some kind of control of that entity.

A proper Conservative government would never interfere with a private company, even special cases that it, and I understand we have a paradox here, supports financially (and temporarily I might add) for the long run of the economy.

[RickD]

I’m saying if some of these marvellous Christian organisations hit some financial hard times, then government must recognise a potential weakening of a local economy, and thus the wider economy, and act accordingly. (This does not apply exclusively to Christianity, by the way - if secular/ other-religious groups produce these kinds of results for the economy and can be supported by government then excellent!) And remember the economy gets its money back and so life’s pretty good. I’m sorry if I’m unclear in parts because I’m just thinking this from memories of previous thoughts of this so haven’t written it down and it might have a hole or two. Looks good to me so far though. What’s wrong with this professional, logical treatment of the economy?

Well Danny, the problem with the govt bailing out companies, is that once the govt helps financially, big bro now has some control over said company. Which in turn gets closer to socialism or govt controlled business, and further away from private business. The argument against govt bailouts, is letting the market dictate which companies fail or succeed. The companies that are fiscally responsible, and can adapt to the changing times, are the ones that come out of a down economy stronger than ever. They don't need to be rewarded by the govt for making bad business decisions. For example, our beloved pres Obama, said if the govt didn't bail out GM & Dodge, the country would collapse. In many peoples eyes, those companies drove themselves into bankrupcy because of irresponsible business decisions.

[RickD]

A proper Conservative government would never interfere with a private company, even special cases that it, and I understand we have a paradox here, supports financially (and temporarily I might add) for the long run of the economy.

There are 2 problems I see with this, as pertains to the U.S.

1) we don't have a proper fiscally conservative government.

2)There isn't a consensus that says that temporarily or otherwise bailing out a company, will actually help the economy in the long term. There is an opinion of more than a few fiscally conservatives, that says a free market economy will weed itself, so to speak, of the bad companies, on its own. That's what the free market is about.