jlay wrote:Of course an atheist doesn't. No God equals no sin. Not everyone who isn't a Christian is an atheist. It would seem that your position permits only two choices. Christianity or atheism.
Does my example fail to explain someone who knows they are a sinner, yet may not be saved?
Are you talking about men having general revelation?
One example could be general revelation. But why are you excluding specific revelation. The example was one seen often. I gave a specific one that comes up in prison ministry quite a bit.
DannyM wrote:Did you really just say that to me, J?
DannyM wrote:Did you really just say that to me, J?
Are you saying there are only two choices?
-“The Bible treated allegorically becomes putty in the hands of the exegete.” John Walvoord
"I'm not saying scientists don't overstate their results. They do. And it's understandable, too...If you spend years working toward a certain goal and make no progress, of course you are going to spin your results in a positive light." Ivellious
jlay wrote:One example could be general revelation. But why are you excluding specific revelation. The example was one seen often. I gave a specific one that comes up in prison ministry quite a bit.
So you think non-Christians have special revelation? Your example did nothing to convince me that these people know they are sinners.
We can both agree that all people have general revelation.
Do people go to church, read the bible, hear a sermon, get witnessed to, and yet not trust Christ.
Have they received specific revelation?
Did the Pharisees believe in God. Did they understand sin? Did they have specific revelation? (Miracles)
What about Felix, Herod, Festus?
-“The Bible treated allegorically becomes putty in the hands of the exegete.” John Walvoord
"I'm not saying scientists don't overstate their results. They do. And it's understandable, too...If you spend years working toward a certain goal and make no progress, of course you are going to spin your results in a positive light." Ivellious
jlay wrote:Do people go to church, read the bible, hear a sermon, get witnessed to, and yet not trust Christ.
Have they received specific revelation?
I’d be engaging in guesswork if I went down that road, J.
Did the Pharisees believe in God. Did they understand sin? Did they have specific revelation? (Miracles)
They understand sin because they are religious men. How would you call this special revelation if it was not a revelation to them? They are in this sense blind.
Danny, we know from the scriptures that some Pharisees did convert. Nicodemus. Just stating, "blind" isn't really dealing with the question.
Miracles were special revelation.
You can make the judgment that they were blind, yet you state guesswork on the other question. Come on Danny. Work with me here.
-“The Bible treated allegorically becomes putty in the hands of the exegete.” John Walvoord
"I'm not saying scientists don't overstate their results. They do. And it's understandable, too...If you spend years working toward a certain goal and make no progress, of course you are going to spin your results in a positive light." Ivellious
jlay wrote:Danny, we know from the scriptures that some Pharisees did convert. Nicodemus. Just stating, "blind" isn't really dealing with the question.
Miracles were special revelation.
You can make the judgment that they were blind, yet you state guesswork on the other question. Come on Danny. Work with me here.
Sorry, J, I'm going out in a bit and staying out so won't be back 'til tomorrow evening some time
But "blind", while you might think it a bit simplistic, is technically correct when applied to someone who is blind to a miracle
Anyway, homes, I'll catch up with you tomorrow and get into it more with you
