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Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:26 pm
by RickD
jpbg33 wrote:Good I didn't think I affined anyone that was why I didn't apologize earlier but sense others were apologizing I just wonted everyone to know that I'm not trying to affined ether.
But Back to the topic when I am referring to human reasoning being used wrong. It is when we take something from the bible and say that the consequences the bible say are there are more of less sever or that the bible say this but it really means this. Then that human reasoning is wrong. Not when we are reading the bible and understand what it is saying.
But you are using your reasoning when you interpret the bible, and state that it says what you think it says. Just like someone else uses his reasoning when he interprets scripture and disagrees with your interpretation.
In other words, there's nothing wrong with using reasoning.
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:39 pm
by jpbg33
If reasoning keeps the same overall meaning but if it changes things then it is wrong because as humans there is know way for us to know other then what the bible says.
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:08 pm
by RickD
jpbg33 wrote:If reasoning keeps the same overall meaning but if it changes things then it is wrong because as humans there is know way for us to know other then what the bible says.
But we still have to interpret what the bible says. And how do we do that? Reasoning!!!
Are you not understanding that?
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:46 pm
by jpbg33
You use reasoning to know what it says but not to change the meaning of what it says.
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:47 pm
by Rob
jpbg33 wrote:You use reasoning to know what it says but not to change the meaning of what it says.
What if your reasoning is different than my reasoning, but neither one of us thinks we changed anything?
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:00 pm
by RickD
Byblos, I see what you're thinking, and don't say it!
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:10 pm
by Byblos
RickD wrote:Byblos, I see what you're thinking, and don't say it!
You nailed it.
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:18 pm
by jpbg33
I will put it this way the bible says there is fire there so if you say there is not fire there then that type of reasoning is wrong. We are not smarter then the bible.
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:23 pm
by Storyteller
Define fire.
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:26 pm
by RickD
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:29 pm
by Danieltwotwenty
jpbg33 wrote:I will put it this way the bible says there is fire there so if you say there is not fire there then that type of reasoning is wrong. We are not smarter then the bible.
So is it literal fire or metaphorical fire?
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:33 pm
by jpbg33
I really don't care if it is literal fire or metaphorical fire the fact is according to Jesus we will fill it and it will burn and be hut like fire.
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:46 pm
by Danieltwotwenty
jpbg33 wrote:I really don't care if it is literal fire or metaphorical fire the fact is according to Jesus we will fill it and it will burn and be hut like fire.
So if it's metaphorical then it might mean annihilation.
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:48 pm
by RickD
Danieltwotwenty wrote:jpbg33 wrote:I really don't care if it is literal fire or metaphorical fire the fact is according to Jesus we will fill it and it will burn and be hut like fire.
So if it's metaphorical then it might mean annihilation.
And there you go using human reasoning instead of what the bible says.
Re: Doctrine of Hell
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:50 pm
by Storyteller
And isnt human reasoning all we have as we are not God?