Evidence for God from Science

PaulSacramento wrote:

Audie wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

What about things that are concrete, explicit and relate to things that could be examined? Like say if the Bible said that Egypt is north or Galilee, say.

One must always be cautious when reading into the bible for explicit and specific scientific views, especially since the bible not only was NOT written that way BUT also because it is a collection of books and letters and writings with very different literary genres.
EX:
A writer, in a poetic context, could state that Egypt is lower/south than Israel and not be meaning ANYTHING in the geographical sense at all, but be making a theological statement.

Numbers, for example, can be written in a way to mean completeness as opposed to an exact number count of something.

In short, the literary genre must be identified first and then the statements put into THAT context.

Considering the general elusiveness of meaning in the Bible, I guess I would only say basically what I have all along, that some interpretations are clearly ad variance with reality.

Actually, the bible is surprisingly clear in its meaning MOST of the time, prophetic writings aside of course.
Maybe not for us but since it was not written TO us then it falls on us to try and understand as the people it was written to would understand.

It is not that the bible can't be understand by everyone, it can BUT only the basic and most important parts, ie: the Gospel.

The rest is really for scholars and theologians and so forth, just like any other multi-level historical document.

abelcainsbrother wrote:I saw a video once about the secret church services they have in China and how they must stand so long during these secret church services and it made me feel bad that Christians here in America won't go to church unless they are comfortable,those Chinese Christians go in both cold and hot weather and nothing to sit on,no AC,no heat,etc.

RickD wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:I saw a video once about the secret church services they have in China and how they must stand so long during these secret church services and it made me feel bad that Christians here in America won't go to church unless they are comfortable,those Chinese Christians go in both cold and hot weather and nothing to sit on,no AC,no heat,etc.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China topic at hand?

abelcainsbrother wrote:

RickD wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:I saw a video once about the secret church services they have in China and how they must stand so long during these secret church services and it made me feel bad that Christians here in America won't go to church unless they are comfortable,those Chinese Christians go in both cold and hot weather and nothing to sit on,no AC,no heat,etc.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China topic at hand?

I don't know,it just popped in my head,but it is off topic.Can I delete it?

Audie wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Audie wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

What about things that are concrete, explicit and relate to things that could be examined? Like say if the Bible said that Egypt is north or Galilee, say.

One must always be cautious when reading into the bible for explicit and specific scientific views, especially since the bible not only was NOT written that way BUT also because it is a collection of books and letters and writings with very different literary genres.
EX:
A writer, in a poetic context, could state that Egypt is lower/south than Israel and not be meaning ANYTHING in the geographical sense at all, but be making a theological statement.

Numbers, for example, can be written in a way to mean completeness as opposed to an exact number count of something.

In short, the literary genre must be identified first and then the statements put into THAT context.

Considering the general elusiveness of meaning in the Bible, I guess I would only say basically what I have all along, that some interpretations are clearly ad variance with reality.

Actually, the bible is surprisingly clear in its meaning MOST of the time, prophetic writings aside of course.
Maybe not for us but since it was not written TO us then it falls on us to try and understand as the people it was written to would understand.

It is not that the bible can't be understand by everyone, it can BUT only the basic and most important parts, ie: the Gospel.

The rest is really for scholars and theologians and so forth, just like any other multi-level historical document.

Im not sure I want to pursue this with you further, but it does seem to say with great clarity that all was made in 6 days, A and E were the first people, flood, etc.

I've heard the written for us not to us, but then, I dont get that as the middle east and its writings are not my heritage, at all.

abelcainsbrother wrote:

RickD wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:I saw a video once about the secret church services they have in China and how they must stand so long during these secret church services and it made me feel bad that Christians here in America won't go to church unless they are comfortable,those Chinese Christians go in both cold and hot weather and nothing to sit on,no AC,no heat,etc.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China topic at hand?

I don't know,it just popped in my head,but it is off topic.Can I delete it?

RickD wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:

RickD wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:I saw a video once about the secret church services they have in China and how they must stand so long during these secret church services and it made me feel bad that Christians here in America won't go to church unless they are comfortable,those Chinese Christians go in both cold and hot weather and nothing to sit on,no AC,no heat,etc.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China topic at hand?

I don't know,it just popped in my head,but it is off topic.Can I delete it?

You could. But then I'd probably have to delete my very clever and witty "price of tea in China" joke.

Audie wrote:

RickD wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:

RickD wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:I saw a video once about the secret church services they have in China and how they must stand so long during these secret church services and it made me feel bad that Christians here in America won't go to church unless they are comfortable,those Chinese Christians go in both cold and hot weather and nothing to sit on,no AC,no heat,etc.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China topic at hand?

I don't know,it just popped in my head,but it is off topic.Can I delete it?

You could. But then I'd probably have to delete my very clever and witty "price of tea in China" joke.

And then I wont be able to complain that people always picking on China.

I wonder, btw, if people dont have a habit of thinking that anything from an ostensibly
"Christian" source (creationist sites say) are reliable coz Christians would not be dishonest.

Kurieuo wrote:Audie, in what the text clearly says, do you think "day" means a solar day or 24-hour day?

Audie wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:Audie, in what the text clearly says, do you think "day" means a solar day or 24-hour day?

If by day you mean.... http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/inde ... by-whiskey.

Kurieuo wrote:

Audie wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:Audie, in what the text clearly says, do you think "day" means a solar day or 24-hour day?

If by day you mean.... http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/inde ... by-whiskey.

Err... no, not whiskey. Have you been hanging with FL?

YECs often say "day" is a literal "24 hour" day, but I didn't know that 24 hours was a literal day.
I know you don't really care much about interpretation, but you did make a statement about it.
So what do you say a "day" clearly is in Genesis 1?

Kurieuo wrote:Actually, we think everyone is dishonest, but we just trust each other more since we confess we're all dishonest.