Evidence for God from Science

Hope67: Sweetie He WAS recorded....read your bible. In the last days, in revelation, God says many people will ask," Well...where is YOUR God? How come he's not here?" And MANY people will be driven by this spirit and fall into the same line of thinking...WE believers KNOW our Shepards voice and feel His comforting presence. Jesus said very plainly, "an evil generation asks for a sign..." But He only gave people with that type of thinking a very simple answer...." The sign of Jonah". That is: the man was swallowed up for three days and then miraculously back out again. it was Christ's way of explaining His death, burial, and resurrection . If that answer does not confound you enough to get you to your bible and keep in prayer , then He will keep calling you to seek Him until you do....or you don't. God brings the high ones down..he confounds the intellects...he giggles at the talking heads and think tanks on this planet. Get to know and hang out with people who walk with God...none of us are perfect...but there is a joy in our spirit and a light in our eyes that comes from the inside....it is the fruit from growing on His vine. No one can scream a question like "Proove to me you have a soul"....I need proof...ON PAPER!!" ......read your bible.

abelcainsbrother wrote:Kenny
What would make you think an image like the image on the shroud could be produced by one of the thousands of others?

Hope67 wrote:Sweetie He WAS recorded....read your bible. In the last days, in revelation, God says many people will ask," Well...where is YOUR God? How come he's not here?" And MANY people will be driven by this spirit and fall into the same line of thinking...WE believers KNOW our Shepards voice and feel His comforting presence. Jesus said very plainly, "an evil generation asks for a sign..." But He only gave people with that type of thinking a very simple answer...." The sign of Jonah". That is: the man was swallowed up for three days and then miraculously back out again. it was Christ's way of explaining His death, burial, and resurrection . If that answer does not confound you enough to get you to your bible and keep in prayer , then He will keep calling you to seek Him until you do....or you don't. God brings the high ones down..he confounds the intellects...he giggles at the talking heads and think tanks on this planet. Get to know and hang out with people who walk with God...none of us are perfect...but there is a joy in our spirit and a light in our eyes that comes from the inside....it is the fruit from growing on His vine. No one can scream a question like "Proove to me you have a soul"....I need proof...ON PAPER!!" ......read your bible.

abelcainsbrother wrote:Kenny
What would make you think an image like the image on the shroud could be produced by one of the thousands of others?

Kenny wrote:

Kenny wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:Kenny
What would make you think an image like the image on the shroud could be produced by one of the thousands of others?

I don’t believe the Shroud is a miracle or anything outside the laws of nature; if it were they would be looking in that direction to explain how it was done rather than looking to determine its age.
The Italian scientist who claims to have duplicated the Shroud; even though he used ovens and washing techniques to accomplish the effect, he said it could have been accomplished by materials and techniques used in the middle ages, and time.

Ken

abelcainsbrother wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Kenny wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:Kenny
What would make you think an image like the image on the shroud could be produced by one of the thousands of others?

I don’t believe the Shroud is a miracle or anything outside the laws of nature; if it were they would be looking in that direction to explain how it was done rather than looking to determine its age.
The Italian scientist who claims to have duplicated the Shroud; even though he used ovens and washing techniques to accomplish the effect, he said it could have been accomplished by materials and techniques used in the middle ages, and time.

Ken

All you'd have to do is look at what the Italians produced to know they are lying,it is not like the image on the shroud.

Kenny wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Kenny wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:Kenny
What would make you think an image like the image on the shroud could be produced by one of the thousands of others?

I don’t believe the Shroud is a miracle or anything outside the laws of nature; if it were they would be looking in that direction to explain how it was done rather than looking to determine its age.
The Italian scientist who claims to have duplicated the Shroud; even though he used ovens and washing techniques to accomplish the effect, he said it could have been accomplished by materials and techniques used in the middle ages, and time.

Ken

All you'd have to do is look at what the Italians produced to know they are lying,it is not like the image on the shroud.

He used artificial aging techniques. He said the Shroud took hundreds of years to accomplish.

Ken

abelcainsbrother wrote: You have not seriously compared it to the image on the shroud to see it is not like the image on the shroud.You want to accept it while not checking into it.You cling to something that is nothing like the image on the shroud,but still accept it all you have is a will to accept it regardless if it is like the image on the shroud.

Kurieuo wrote:Not to defend Kenny, but the about 100 pages may have something to do with putting people off.
Still it does contain much information and one shouldn't argue from ignorance.

It would be good to start a new shroud thread perhaps with the best of the best material, or all still existing good online resources categorised, in the opening post?

Kenny wrote:

Storyteller wrote:Why is there a credibility issue?

They say Rome kept detailed records of events of their day. Today Rome is one of the most Christian spots on Earth yet they have no record of such an event today. If Muslims claimed many saw Mohammad ascend to heaven, do you think many Christians would believe it? Or do you suppose there would be credibility issues.

Storyteller wrote: Do you believe it?

If I did, I would still be Christian.

Storyteller wrote: It took me a long time to get my head around the resurrection. Sometimes it still feels to miraculous, too good to be true but why wouldn`t it be? Why would people risk their lives to spread the Word, to produce Bibles so we could know the truth if it was all a lie?

Now I know people believe all sorts of things, and can be wrong, and die for false beliefs, so what sets Christianity apart? The resurrection. It all hinges on that. No resurrection, no faith. No resurrection, no hope. Which is why I am so enthralled by the shroud.

If scientists prove, without doubt, that it is indeed the shroud of Christ, would that encourage you to believe?

If there were ever an expert on the Shroud, I think that would be the Catholic Church. Yet the Pope refuses to pronounce it as authentic; instead choosing to refer to it as “an icon that inspires genuine faith regardless of its historical origins”
To me that speaks volumes.

Ken

Kenny wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote: You have not seriously compared it to the image on the shroud to see it is not like the image on the shroud.You want to accept it while not checking into it.You cling to something that is nothing like the image on the shroud,but still accept it all you have is a will to accept it regardless if it is like the image on the shroud.

Do you have a picture? The site I posted didn't provide one.

Ken