Evidence for God from Science

Kenny wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:Kenny needs to realize that he cannot bring up other god's anyway when it comes to Pascal's Wager instead he must consider heaven/hell vs We just die and thats it,which is what atheists believe so based on this Kenny cannot ask what would we do if we were wrong because if we were wrong we would not even know or realize we believed in Jesus and were wrong but if Kenny is wrong he is in trouble.A person just cannot hedge their bets with atheism at all and atheism has no evidence behind it,even false religions have more evidence than atheism does.Pascal was a gambling man and knew about odds of winning.

Wrong. Pascal's Wager is supposed to look at things from the Atheist POV which sees all religions as equally flawed, not the Christians who only see their religion as authentic. Thus your argument fails.

Ken

abelcainsbrother wrote:We can apply Pascal's wager to false religions and atheism

abelcainsbrother wrote:atheists believe there is no god,no afterlife and when you die,thats it.

abelcainsbrother wrote:Atheists cannot bring up other god's they don't even believe in.

abelcainsbrother wrote:This means if you are wrong,you are in trouble.

abelcainsbrother wrote:Religions can debate and compare evidence to know which God is true,

abelcainsbrother wrote:atheists cannot do this as they believe there is no afterlife and don't know about god's and religions.I can say to you that I win no matter what whether Christianity is true or not,but you lose if you are wrong.

Kenny wrote:
No, there are plenty of Atheists who believe in an afterlife like reincarnation. Atheists just don’t recognize a deity; that’s it; anything else you shouldn't speculate on.

RickD wrote:

Kenny wrote:
No, there are plenty of Atheists who believe in an afterlife like reincarnation. Atheists just don’t recognize a deity; that’s it; anything else you shouldn't speculate on.

Plenty of atheists believe in an afterlife like reincarnation? Really?

Do you realize how logically inconsistent that would be?

Atheists claim they don't believe in God because they think there's a lack of evidence, regarding God's existence. And since there's absolutely no evidence for reincarnation, that just isn't logical. In fact, for an atheist to believe in anything metaphysical, is not logically consistent with a belief that God doesn't exist.

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

Kenny wrote:
No, there are plenty of Atheists who believe in an afterlife like reincarnation. Atheists just don’t recognize a deity; that’s it; anything else you shouldn't speculate on.

Plenty of atheists believe in an afterlife like reincarnation? Really?

Do you realize how logically inconsistent that would be?

Atheists claim they don't believe in God because they think there's a lack of evidence, regarding God's existence. And since there's absolutely no evidence for reincarnation, that just isn't logical. In fact, for an atheist to believe in anything metaphysical, is not logically consistent with a belief that God doesn't exist.

Many sects of Buddism are considered Atheist because they don't believe in a Deity, yet they believe in reincarnation. All beliefs can look "logically inconsistent" to the non believer; even yours.

Ken

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

Kenny wrote:
No, there are plenty of Atheists who believe in an afterlife like reincarnation. Atheists just don’t recognize a deity; that’s it; anything else you shouldn't speculate on.

Plenty of atheists believe in an afterlife like reincarnation? Really?

Do you realize how logically inconsistent that would be?

Atheists claim they don't believe in God because they think there's a lack of evidence, regarding God's existence. And since there's absolutely no evidence for reincarnation, that just isn't logical. In fact, for an atheist to believe in anything metaphysical, is not logically consistent with a belief that God doesn't exist.

Many sects of Buddism are considered Atheist because they don't believe in a Deity, yet they believe in reincarnation. All beliefs can look "logically inconsistent" to the non believer; even yours.

Ken

abelcainsbrother wrote: So you believe in reincarnation then?

abelcainsbrother wrote: It still does not change my point.You are borrowing from religion in order to defend atheism

abelcainsbrother wrote: and for nothing because if you are wrong,you're in trouble,not me.

abelcainsbrother wrote: Atheism does not believe in an afterlife and you know it.

abelcainsbrother wrote: Look at all the hoops you are trying to jump through in order to defend atheism.Buddhists follow the teaching of Buddha but he does not call himself a god.

Kenny wrote:

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

Kenny wrote:
No, there are plenty of Atheists who believe in an afterlife like reincarnation. Atheists just don’t recognize a deity; that’s it; anything else you shouldn't speculate on.

Plenty of atheists believe in an afterlife like reincarnation? Really?

Do you realize how logically inconsistent that would be?

Atheists claim they don't believe in God because they think there's a lack of evidence, regarding God's existence. And since there's absolutely no evidence for reincarnation, that just isn't logical. In fact, for an atheist to believe in anything metaphysical, is not logically consistent with a belief that God doesn't exist.

Many sects of Buddism are considered Atheist because they don't believe in a Deity, yet they believe in reincarnation. All beliefs can look "logically inconsistent" to the non believer; even yours.

Ken

abelcainsbrother wrote: So you believe in reincarnation then?

I never said that!

abelcainsbrother wrote: It still does not change my point.You are borrowing from religion in order to defend atheism

We're talking about "theism" not religion. You DO know the difference; do you?

abelcainsbrother wrote: and for nothing because if you are wrong,you're in trouble,not me.

And if you're wrong, you are in trouble.

abelcainsbrother wrote: Atheism does not believe in an afterlife and you know it.

Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

abelcainsbrother wrote: Look at all the hoops you are trying to jump through in order to defend atheism.Buddhists follow the teaching of Buddha but he does not call himself a god.

There is nothing about Atheism to defend! I'm just pointing out the flaws in your logic and claims!

Ken

kenny wrote:
Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

abelcainsbrother wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

Kenny wrote:
No, there are plenty of Atheists who believe in an afterlife like reincarnation. Atheists just don’t recognize a deity; that’s it; anything else you shouldn't speculate on.

Plenty of atheists believe in an afterlife like reincarnation? Really?

Do you realize how logically inconsistent that would be?

Atheists claim they don't believe in God because they think there's a lack of evidence, regarding God's existence. And since there's absolutely no evidence for reincarnation, that just isn't logical. In fact, for an atheist to believe in anything metaphysical, is not logically consistent with a belief that God doesn't exist.

Many sects of Buddism are considered Atheist because they don't believe in a Deity, yet they believe in reincarnation. All beliefs can look "logically inconsistent" to the non believer; even yours.

Ken

abelcainsbrother wrote: So you believe in reincarnation then?

I never said that!

abelcainsbrother wrote: It still does not change my point.You are borrowing from religion in order to defend atheism

We're talking about "theism" not religion. You DO know the difference; do you?

abelcainsbrother wrote: and for nothing because if you are wrong,you're in trouble,not me.

And if you're wrong, you are in trouble.

abelcainsbrother wrote: Atheism does not believe in an afterlife and you know it.

Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

abelcainsbrother wrote: Look at all the hoops you are trying to jump through in order to defend atheism.Buddhists follow the teaching of Buddha but he does not call himself a god.

There is nothing about Atheism to defend! I'm just pointing out the flaws in your logic and claims!

Ken

What do you know about religion and other god's in order to think I'm in trouble if I'm wrong? I have compared evidence and religions and know that if somehow Christianity was false the other god's and religions would be too and I would just die and not even know I believed in Jesus so I cannot lose.My odds are sound.

RickD wrote:

kenny wrote:
Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Of course it is Kenny! You are being ridiculous!

Here's a good linkabout atheism as a belief system, for those interested:

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

kenny wrote:
Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Of course it is Kenny! You are being ridiculous!

Here's a good linkabout atheism as a belief system, for those interested:

Believing Sweden does not exist is not a "belief system" it is a claim that can be refuted by taking a Jet to Sweden. Atheism is no more a belief system than not believing in the existence of Sweden. Care to try again?

Ken

RickD wrote:

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

kenny wrote:
Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Of course it is Kenny! You are being ridiculous!

Here's a good linkabout atheism as a belief system, for those interested:

Believing Sweden does not exist is not a "belief system" it is a claim that can be refuted by taking a Jet to Sweden. Atheism is no more a belief system than not believing in the existence of Sweden. Care to try again?

Ken

Kenny,

A belief system, is just a term that means, "a set of beliefs". And atheism is a set of beliefs. Why you would even want to deny that, is beyond reason.
Kenny,

I'm not saying that all atheists believe all the same things. Just like not all theists believe the same things.

But at the very least, all atheists believe:

1. The universe came to exist in a way other than "God did it".

2. Morals come from something other than God.

Those are a set of beliefs, or a belief system.

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

kenny wrote:
Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Of course it is Kenny! You are being ridiculous!

Here's a good linkabout atheism as a belief system, for those interested:

Believing Sweden does not exist is not a "belief system" it is a claim that can be refuted by taking a Jet to Sweden. Atheism is no more a belief system than not believing in the existence of Sweden. Care to try again?

Ken

Kenny,

A belief system, is just a term that means, "a set of beliefs". And atheism is a set of beliefs. Why you would even want to deny that, is beyond reason.
Kenny,

I'm not saying that all atheists believe all the same things. Just like not all theists believe the same things.

But at the very least, all atheists believe:

1. The universe came to exist in a way other than "God did it".

2. Morals come from something other than God.

Those are a set of beliefs, or a belief system.

We've been over this time and time again. If you wish to redefine the term Atheism to fit your agenda, if you wish to redefine belief systems to include those ridiculas examples you gave, knock yourself out! But don't expect to be taken seriously to anybody outside the religious community (and probably not half of them either)

Peace bro
Ken

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

kenny wrote:
Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Of course it is Kenny! You are being ridiculous!

Here's a good linkabout atheism as a belief system, for those interested:

Believing Sweden does not exist is not a "belief system" it is a claim that can be refuted by taking a Jet to Sweden. Atheism is no more a belief system than not believing in the existence of Sweden. Care to try again?

Ken

Kenny,

A belief system, is just a term that means, "a set of beliefs". And atheism is a set of beliefs. Why you would even want to deny that, is beyond reason.
Kenny,

I'm not saying that all atheists believe all the same things. Just like not all theists believe the same things.

But at the very least, all atheists believe:

1. The universe came to exist in a way other than "God did it".

2. Morals come from something other than God.

Those are a set of beliefs, or a belief system.

We've been over this time and time again. If you wish to redefine the term Atheism to fit your agenda, if you wish to redefine belief systems to include those ridiculas examples you gave, knock yourself out! But don't expect to be taken seriously to anybody outside the religious community (and probably not half of them either)

Peace bro
Ken

RickD wrote:Ok Kenny.

Two questions that you need to answer now.
1) how am I redefining atheism?

RickD wrote: 2) what agenda do I have?

RickD wrote:
Ok Kenny.

Two questions that you need to answer now.
1) how am I redefining atheism?

ken:
By trying to define it as a belief system

RickD wrote:
Ok Kenny.

Two questions that you need to answer now.
1) how am I redefining atheism?

Ken wrote:
By trying to define it as a belief system

RickD wrote:
2) what agenda do I have?

Ken wrote:
To make it out to be a belief system. It also appears to me you are trying to give the impression Atheism is an alternative to religion for non believers.