"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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How does the Father Draw?Byblos wrote:On an entirely different subject (the underlined), predestination anyone? Sorry, couldn't help pointing that out, considering how the subject has exploded on the scene recently.DannyM wrote: John 6:44
44 No-one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
With a Derwent Graphic Pencil. Only the best!B. W. wrote:How does the Father Draw?
Paul says his love and kindness drives us to repentance. Other places in the Bible we see people coming to him because they are broken and have hit rock bottom. Sometimes God himself seems to have done the breaking. Read through Isaiah. I personally feel that God puts himself out there in so many ways it's impossible to fathom. Have you ever had unrequited love for a girl and spent countless hours trying think of a way to get her to love you back? Imagine having love and patience that was truly infinite. Just think of how hard you would try to get her to notice.B. W. wrote:How does the Father Draw?Byblos wrote:On an entirely different subject (the underlined), predestination anyone? Sorry, couldn't help pointing that out, considering how the subject has exploded on the scene recently.DannyM wrote: John 6:44
44 No-one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
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I was going to answer "Etch-A-Sketch", but I thought it may be inappropriate. Nice going JLAY.jlay wrote:With a Derwent Graphic Pencil. Only the best!B. W. wrote:How does the Father Draw?
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
jlay wrote:With a Derwent Graphic Pencil. Only the best!B. W. wrote:How does the Father Draw?
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Excellent answer…jestes wrote:...Paul says his love and kindness drives us to repentance. Other places in the Bible we see people coming to him because they are broken and have hit rock bottom. Sometimes God himself seems to have done the breaking. Read through Isaiah. I personally feel that God puts himself out there in so many ways it's impossible to fathom. Have you ever had unrequited love for a girl and spent countless hours trying think of a way to get her to love you back? Imagine having love and patience that was truly infinite. Just think of how hard you would try to get her to notice.
I agree, that in any relationship, the work you do reflects on how healthy the relationship is. But that's just talking about the "health" of the relationship. Not the security of the relationship.If you neglect your relationship, it WILL fall apart. Our relationship with God is without a doubt a special one, but don't shrug it off as if you don't need to work on that relationship. The very thought of a baptism and walk away comes to mind immediately especially when becoming a Christian DOES NOT take much education.
We absolutely break our promises. We are imperfect sinners. God is not. His promises will always be true. He cannot lie.I have NO DOUBT in my mind that much like marriage with a spouse that we can and often do break our promises. On purpose? We don't try to. But sometimes we do! We sometimes do it on accident and those are easier to deal with. But its those ones that we do on purpose and we do not RECONCILE with our love that puts the relationship in jeopardy. The question is, can you break your promise with God and not reconcile with him? Absolutely! Where would that put you when the end comes? I wouldn't bet the farm that I'm "sealed" in with God.
Fair, says who? God has sealed the true believer with the Holy Spirit. This "seal" is a guarantee from God. It's a guarantee, from God, because of who He is, and not because of who we are. God's promises are not contingent on us. If they were, He would be a pretty weak God, wouldn't He?This is not fair and it would not be just of God to accept someone into heaven who freely walked away from him for the worldly desire instead after you break your promise to him.
16:1 {Be watchful} for your life;
16:2 {let your lamps not be quenched and your loins not ungirded, but be ye ready;
16:3 for ye know not the hour in which our Lord cometh.}
16:4 And ye shall gather yourselves together frequently, seeking what is fitting for your souls;
16:5 for the whole time of your faith shall not profit you, if ye be not perfected at the last season.
16:6 For in the last days {the false prophets} and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate.
16:7 For as lawlessness increaseth, {they shall hate one another and shall persecute and betray.
16:8 And then} the world-deceiver {shall appear} as a son of God;
16:9 {and shall work signs and wonders,} and the earth shall be delivered into his hands;
16:10 and he shall do unholy things, which have never been since the world began.
16:11 Then all created mankind shall come to the fire of testing, and many shall be offended and perish;
16:12 {but they that endure} in their faith {shall be saved} by the Curse Himself.
16:13 {And then shall the signs} of the truth {appear;}
16:14 first a sign of a rift in the heaven, then a sign of a voice of a trumpet, and thirdly a resurrection of the dead;
16:15 yet not of all, but as it was said:
16:16 {The Lord shall come and all His saints with Him.
16:17 Then shall} the world {see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven.}