Evidence for God from Science

Those are some astronomical figures.
Close to a trillion dollar deficit? that is just mind boggling.

PaulSacramento wrote:Those are some astronomical figures.
Close to a trillion dollar deficit? that is just mind boggling.

Deficit, schmeficit! ROSEANNE BARR GOT OVER 48,000 VOTES!!!

Now that's mind boggling!!

Forbes is a more reliable voice in news. Opinion pieces in Forbes from the Right or from the token left, are just that; opinions, but at least they have the decency to identify them as what they are as editorials and not factual news as CNS and some other right wing type outlets do regularly. Some on the left do that same thing so it's not unique to either side, although from my point of view, I think the Right does it more often.

If you want to look at things more from a factual basis without the spin, then a primary source to check are these:

http://www.cbo.gov/ (non-partisan)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/ (reflects the President in office)
http://www.cbpp.org/ (non-profit, non-partisan group generally well respected overall)
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/ (non-profit, non-partisan group generally well respected overall, tends to lean left)

You'd be amazed at how much crap you can cut through if you look here to verify numbers and examine source material.

Stygian wrote:

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:The USA will likely just fade off the world scene, like the UK's ''empire''. Actually, America is already fading.

Oh, I've heard plenty of comparisons between the Roman Empire and the United States, actually. Let's at least the USA's imperialism comes to an end.

I didn't express myself clearly and you didn't read correctly: I never compared the USA to the Roman Empire. The USA never had an empire !

I implicitly compared the USA's power and influence to the UK's ''empire'', what is now the Commonwealth. The nations that make up the Commonwealth are vestigial remains of what the UK once was, and I implied that the USA was going off the world stage in the same way as the British Empire did: with a whimper and in weakness.

FL

Canuckster1127 wrote:http://www.cbo.gov/ (non-partisan)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/ (reflects the President in office)

Ok... a government website being totally objective about the government? Really?

Here's a little something from Forbes again, about CBO: Are CBO Estimates Really The Gold Standard Of Accuracy?

Canuckster1127 wrote:http://www.cbpp.org/ (non-profit, non-partisan group generally well respected overall)

The CBPP actually have a strong liberal bias. I'd hardly call them objective.

Canuckster1127 wrote:http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/ (non-profit, non-partisan group generally well respected overall, tends to lean left)

These are run by the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, two vey liberal think-tanks. Not just 'leaning left.' They ARE fully liberal organizations. They are anything BUT non-partisan.

I can hardly trust any of these sources.

I didn't express myself clearly and you didn't read correctly: I never compared the USA to the Roman Empire. The USA never had an empire !

Yes I know. And YOU misunderstood me. By imperialism, I meant the desire to go country to country, instill new governments, and generally become a global police force. That's a bit like empire-building, if you ask me.

Imperialism: a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means

Bart, it seems you've turned so far to the left that you are now calling liberal media "unbiased".

Come back to the right Bart. Before it's too late...

Stygian wrote:Imperialism: a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means

I don't like that definition of imperialism because it is vague. It also sounds too commie, as in ''America is the Imperialist running dog of the world'', a favorite accusation from the now defunct USSR & Maoist China. Anyway, that's in the past. There are new powers on the block. They probably won't be as benevolent as America was.

FL

RickD wrote:Bart, it seems you've turned so far to the left that you are now calling liberal media "unbiased".

Come back to the right Bart. Before it's too late...

Those sources you linked too Bart, as Stygain mentioned, are very left leaning.

Keynesian economics do not produce what they are suppose too.

Practicing promoting strife, envy, defamation lies, and urban enslavement to a political party does not match any biblical indicators on how a just and fair leader should act.

I stated this on my Awake and Arise Days of Prayer FB page and it fits here...

http://www.facebook.com/AwakeAndAriseDayOfPrayer

To say the progressive left’s programs are sanctioned by Jesus for the cause of social justice are wrong. Jesus’ focus for us was to Love God first and others next – not --

-- Love and trust the Government first and let the Government love your neighbor for you and you be the neighbor too -

Commentary by

B.W. Melvin

I to be quite frank Bart, from a former atheist and lefty, I grew tired of the political left's enslaving the urban communities to entitlements in order to secure a voting block. One friend of mine from the DC area mentioned to me that he was still waiting on his acre and a mule. The poor are really being had by the Democrat party . Soon the poor just might surprise you and wake up and see they have been played a fool.

Bart - it is serious and time we stop with the Guillotine Politics...

There are consequences to telling people that, the deck is stacked against them due to the evil rich, those stupid bible believing Christians holding on to their guns god and religion, those republicans that just want to kill the disabled, pollute the air starve children, destroy education, take away women's contraceptives, voting is revenge, etc and etc

All I got to say to this most transparent benevolent Administration - look at what your party line polices have done to our educational system, and the poor, keeping them enslaved, captive to fear, all done in order just to win elections... Is mindbogglingly hypocritical. What a waste of time and money.

Rick is right - come to the right - come to the right come to the right
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Join the Vermin Supreme party, everybody!

Stygian wrote:Join the Vermin Supreme party, everybody!

The problem with Vermin is that he's from Massachusetts. We all know that nobody from Massachusetts can be trusted.

At least he's honest about it.

I think you guys certainly have some interesting views on things here.

I voted for Obama for 2008, and this year I was too lazy to vote.
I could not bring myself to vote for a ticket with Sarah Palin on it, and this time I could not bring myself to vote for someone who actively believes in the teachings of the anti-Christ (Mormon doctrine).

For me, the only active issue I have on the left is the abortion issue. However, I believe a case can be made to overturn Roe vs Wade despite liberal government. Abortion information needs to be out there more, and it needs to be presented properly. There are atheists out there who are full blown liberal, yet agree with our position on abortion. That REALLY says something significant.

I see the problem of abortion in several much more problematic ways that need be addressed first.

The economics first off, and second is women's liberation movement that started this mess.

There are atheists out there who are full blown liberal, yet agree with our position on abortion. That REALLY says something significant.

While I well know that there are some very compassionate and concerned Democratic Christians, I will say that they have pulled a collective, massive and shameful fail when it comes to protesting and raising the injustice and immorality of abortion within the Democratic Party. Same with the move away from spiritual values within the party. It those of faith within the DP would band together and raise holy hell about the party's support for abortion, I would have immensely more respect for them, as they would have a tremendous impact towards turning this holocaust around.

If a person or party can't even stand up for the most basic, fundamental right - the right to LIVE - how can you really expect them to sincerely care about them once they a citizen? And please don't say, "what about Republican wars, what about this/that ... don't mix up the issues. WHAT ABOUT the 1 million+ unborn children destroyed before they ever had a chance?!!! Why don't Christian Democrats stand up for what they KNOW is right on this issue?

I'm a centrist. You guys are just so far to the right that Atilla the Hun seems moderate.

Not really much I can or need to say in response to the evaluations of what are centrist sites. Sorry I can't return to the right. I've been there before. Critical thinking won't allow me to return and since I've grown older I lack the required spinal flexibility to achieve the Recto-Cranial inversion.

I must say Bart I had a good chuckle at that last comment, in Australia our right wing is more like your left wing and our left wing is more left than your left wing.

So I guess we are all lefty's here, maybe you should move here.

Dan