Problem of evil

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Re: Problem of evil

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B. W. wrote:
MAGSolo wrote:I would like to revisit this comment by Paul. You pretty clearly here have voiced your opinion that you dont agree with the idea of God killing people before they commit a sinful act. I would like to clear this up. Is this how you feel? Anyone else feel free to chime in. Do you all agree that it is not a good idea for God to kill people before they commit an evil act?
So, what I am hearing you say Mag is this: It is perfectly acceptable for human beings to kill each other, correct?
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You got that? I just keep hearing blah blah blah... blah blah blah blah with question marks on the end. y:-?
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Re: Problem of evil

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from what you quoted Im really not seeing at all how you are hearing me say that
Me: So you people dont think its not okay for God to kill people before they commit an evil act right?
B.W.: So what I hear you saying is that its perfectly acceptable for human being to kill each other, correct?

Im super confused how you got that from what I said
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Re: Problem of evil

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Kurieuo wrote:
B. W. wrote:
MAGSolo wrote:I would like to revisit this comment by Paul. You pretty clearly here have voiced your opinion that you dont agree with the idea of God killing people before they commit a sinful act. I would like to clear this up. Is this how you feel? Anyone else feel free to chime in. Do you all agree that it is not a good idea for God to kill people before they commit an evil act?
So, what I am hearing you say Mag is this: It is perfectly acceptable for human beings to kill each other, correct?
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You got that? I just keep hearing blah blah blah... blah blah blah blah with question marks on the end. y:-?
So is this like the official point where Christians just start derailing threads when they are unable to answer a tough question? When the going gets tough, just throw out baseless accusations of trolling right y:-?
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Re: Problem of evil

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MAGSolo wrote:So is this like the official point where Christians just start derailing threads when they are unable to answer a tough question? When the going gets tough, just throw out baseless accusations of trolling right
Your questions are not tough. They are quite simple, even. The problem is with you:
MAGSolo wrote:Im super confused how you got that from what I said
Indeed you are confused! as I've been saying all along. You have trouble understanding what is written to you. You have trouble understanding & accepting even simple explanations. Here is another explanation which you will probably not understand; I write it for the benefit of others:

Mal 1:3, God, who can see the end from the beginning knew that Esau's life would produce much misery for His Chosen People, hence His hatred for Esau right from his birth. Esau's descendents continue to produce grief for Israel - and for Christians - even to this day.

So, since God can see generations of evil resulting from the birth of a child such as Esau, He can also see the good that may come from random evil acts.

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Is that your answer to this question I posted:
I would like to revisit this comment by Paul. You pretty clearly here have voiced your opinion that you dont agree with the idea of God killing people before they commit a sinful act. I would like to clear this up. Is this how you feel? Anyone else feel free to chime in. Do you all agree that it is not a good idea for God to kill people before they commit an evil act?
Are you saying that God shouldnt kill people before they do evil because he can see the good that can often come down the line even if its generations later?
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Magsolo, I feel like you are ignoring my posts.
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1over137 wrote:Magsolo, I feel like you are ignoring my posts.
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1over137 wrote:Magsolo, I feel like you are ignoring my posts.
Light dawns on Marblehead! :mrgreen:
You see Magsolo how people started to treat you? It is reaction to your attitude.
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MAGSolo wrote:Are you saying that God shouldnt kill people before they do evil because he can see the good that can often come down the line even if its generations later?
Focus! Where did I say that God should do this or do that? Who am I to tell God what to do?!

Focus! ...and congratulations! you seem to have understood something, even though dimly.

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1over137 wrote:Magsolo, I feel like you are ignoring my posts.
No, Im not ignoring your posts. Sometimes I just dont really have anything to say to a particular post. Take your post about your depression for example. You say that some good came from it because now you understand depressed and suicidal people. Okay thats cool I guess. Yet i have posted about a 3 year old boy cooked to death by his mother. I five year old girl sold by her mother to a pedophile where she was raped and then killed, and here a 10 year old girl that was kidnapped with her mother, raped, and her mother was stabbed to death. My point is what about all the cases where no good comes of evil? When Im talking about children being raped and murdered in terrible ways, and you are telling me about how you recovered from depression, I feel that there is a disconnect somewhere and so there really isnt much for me to say to a post like that.
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MAGSolo wrote:
1over137 wrote:Magsolo, I feel like you are ignoring my posts.
No, Im not ignoring your posts. Sometimes I just dont really have anything to say to a particular post. Take your post about your depression for example. You say that some good came from it because now you understand depressed and suicidal people. Okay thats cool I guess. Yet i have posted about a 3 year old boy cooked to death by his mother. I five year old girl sole by her mother to a pedophile where she was raped and then killed, and here a 10 year old girl that was kidnapped with her mother, raped, and her mother was stabbed to death. My point is what about all the cases where no good comes of evil? When Im talking about children being raped and murdered in terrible ways, and you are telling me about how you recovered from depression, I feel that there is a disconnect somewhere and so there really isnt much for me to say to a post like that.
Then waitfor that children to become adult and see then. I spoke for myself to give you a hint.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21

For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
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Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
MAGSolo wrote:Are you saying that God shouldnt kill people before they do evil because he can see the good that can often come down the line even if its generations later?
Focus! Where did I say that God should do this or do that? Who am I to tell God what to do?!

Focus! ...and congratulations! you seem to have understood something, even though dimly.

FL :clap:
Here again there seems to be a disconnect somewhere or it seems like you havent been following the conversation somehow. Im asking a very simple question. Are you okay with God killing people before they commit an act of evil or arent you? It seems like a pretty simple question that nobody seems capable of answering. This all started when I said that God could and probably should kill people before they commit acts of evil and a lot of people seemed really indignant towards my idea. Im saying that I believe that God could and should kill people about to do evil, do you agree or disagree with me?
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1over137 wrote:
MAGSolo wrote:
1over137 wrote:Magsolo, I feel like you are ignoring my posts.
No, Im not ignoring your posts. Sometimes I just dont really have anything to say to a particular post. Take your post about your depression for example. You say that some good came from it because now you understand depressed and suicidal people. Okay thats cool I guess. Yet i have posted about a 3 year old boy cooked to death by his mother. I five year old girl sole by her mother to a pedophile where she was raped and then killed, and here a 10 year old girl that was kidnapped with her mother, raped, and her mother was stabbed to death. My point is what about all the cases where no good comes of evil? When Im talking about children being raped and murdered in terrible ways, and you are telling me about how you recovered from depression, I feel that there is a disconnect somewhere and so there really isnt much for me to say to a post like that.
Then waitfor that children to become adult and see then. I spoke for myself to give you a hint.
Lover, if a child is murdered, how can you wait for them to become an adult?
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MAGSolo wrote:
1over137 wrote:
MAGSolo wrote:
1over137 wrote:Magsolo, I feel like you are ignoring my posts.
No, Im not ignoring your posts. Sometimes I just dont really have anything to say to a particular post. Take your post about your depression for example. You say that some good came from it because now you understand depressed and suicidal people. Okay thats cool I guess. Yet i have posted about a 3 year old boy cooked to death by his mother. I five year old girl sole by her mother to a pedophile where she was raped and then killed, and here a 10 year old girl that was kidnapped with her mother, raped, and her mother was stabbed to death. My point is what about all the cases where no good comes of evil? When Im talking about children being raped and murdered in terrible ways, and you are telling me about how you recovered from depression, I feel that there is a disconnect somewhere and so there really isnt much for me to say to a post like that.
Then waitfor that children to become adult and see then. I spoke for myself to give you a hint.
Lover, if a child is murdered, how can you wait for them to become an adult?
I thinked of raped child.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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MAGSolo wrote:
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
MAGSolo wrote:Are you saying that God shouldnt kill people before they do evil because he can see the good that can often come down the line even if its generations later?
Focus! Where did I say that God should do this or do that? Who am I to tell God what to do?!

Focus! ...and congratulations! you seem to have understood something, even though dimly.

FL :clap:
Here again there seems to be a disconnect somewhere or it seems like you havent been following the conversation somehow. Im asking a very simple question. Are you okay with God killing people before they commit an act of evil or arent you? It seems like a pretty simple question that nobody seems capable of answering. This all started when I said that God could and probably should kill people before they commit acts of evil and a lot of people seemed really indignant towards my idea. Im saying that I believe that God could and should kill people about to do evil, do you agree or disagree with me?
Ok, God would kill those people and then what? No chance for a killer to repent and become Christian? Also, you cannot know whether killed children are in heaven now.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21

For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6

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