"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
https://discussions.godandscience.org/
Why am a getting a feeling of déjà vu?Philip wrote:Speaking of whiskey: I have a bottle of Jack Daniels in my pantry that is nearly full and was given me as a leftover after a corporate function, nearly 10 years ago. Would it be any good after so long?
Talk about a...
Maybe Rick just never forgets a "joke" he's made? His joke to you was at the very bottom of that page.Philip wrote:Well, thanks, Rick, for pointing out my senior moment - can't believe you remembered it, much less tracked it down. But, then again, you clown aliens have superior abilities. But why is it that when I do a search for a post topic that should be easy to find it's often unfindable. But you can find an obscure question about an old bottle of booze? Or do you just spend a lot of time thinking about booze?
CIA = Clown Inebriation Adjustment.RickD wrote:I'm a trained CIA operative. It's what I do.
...to back up their beliefs.No. Central Intelligence Agency. And I know where you live.Byblos wrote:CIA = Clown Inebriation Adjustment.RickD wrote:I'm a trained CIA operative. It's what I do.
This CIA?RickD wrote:No. Central Intelligence Agency. And I know where you live.Byblos wrote:CIA = Clown Inebriation Adjustment.RickD wrote:I'm a trained CIA operative. It's what I do.
So the clown has a hollow leg, likes to toss back a few. Hopefully he doesn't smoke, too - bad combination - especially when done at the very same time!RickD wrote:I'm a trained CIA operative. It's what I do.
CIA = Clown Inebriation Adjustment.
That gif should be an emoticon. XDPhilip wrote:So the clown has a hollow leg, likes to toss back a few. Hopefully he doesn't smoke, too - bad combination - especially when done at the very same time!RickD wrote:I'm a trained CIA operative. It's what I do.
CIA = Clown Inebriation Adjustment.
Hydrolplate? Is that some Asian whisky?* Japan produces some excellent whiskies modelled after scotch but most whiskies made in countries other than Scotland, Ireland, Canada and the USA are just junk.Audie wrote:The answer to the forgotten OP is, some people will believe whatever it takes.. see hydrolplate "theory"
"Hyrlolplate" then. You are cool, rick was decent to me but this sure is not the forumFurstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Hydrolplate? Is that some Asian whisky?* Japan produces some excellent whiskies modelled after scotch but most whiskies made in countries other than Scotland, Ireland, Canada and the USA are just junk.Audie wrote:The answer to the forgotten OP is, some people will believe whatever it takes.. see hydrolplate "theory"
I am the resident whisky expert. RickD knows nothin', nada, didlysquat. I am the Jac3510 of whisky...'nuff said.
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*also spelled whiskey
I think you mean Hydroplate Theory.Audie wrote:"Hyrlolplate" then.
Actually, I am the nastiest person here...for some reason, that seems to be my very undeserved reputation. RickD is OK; he's a little straight-laced and somewhat politically correct. I'm surprised you didn't get along with Jac. I think you overreacted to his style. Jac is a milder and more intelligent version of me. Give him another chance.Audie wrote: You are cool, rick was decent to me but this sure is not the forumto make a person like me feel welcome.
Jac is a milder and more intelligent version of me. Give him another chance.
Getting back to the OP and although I have not read every post on this thread, the above is a good post even though I disagree with some of what you said. I don't think the earth has to be young. I think Mankind may need to be young. I have also read about the geneology in Genesis being incorrect meaning mankind may have been created longer than 6K years ago.Jac3510 wrote:You're using the term "foundational" differently than they are. You are thinking of the basic essence of the faith in the sense of that which is denied is to go on to deny the faith itself. They are using the term in the sense of the most basic support. There are OECs on this board who have (rightly) argued that if Adam and Eve never existed, then the faith is, in this sense, undermined, because there is no historical basis for the Fall. It is this sense of "foundational" that has led the Catholic Church to affirm that, whatever one believes about the age of the earth or evolution, one must believe that Adam and Eve were historical figures, the pair from whom all people today descended.tetelesti wrote:Saw this video on WND about "why a young earth" is foundational to the Christian faith. Found the whole premise irritating because I thought that Christ crucified was the foundation of the Christian faith, not whether the earth was young or old. This video seems to imply that any view outside young earth creationism is heretical, which seems to echo the underpinnings of Ken Ham. Apparently it's worse than that since the author of the video, David Rives, sells Kent Hovind's "creation seminar" DVD on his website.
So on their view, YEC is foundational in that sense because OEC requires death was in the world before sin. The normal OEC response is that the death that came from the Fall is spiritual death. The real difference, then, in YEC and OEC is not soteriological (pertaining to salvation) but eschatological (pertaining to the end times, kingdom, etc.).
By the way, this is the final reason that I was persuaded that YEC is the biblical view. OEC advocates are simply wrong when they think that the death introduced into the world by sin was human death and/or spiritual death.
No, Newton was not the first person to translate or work from the Hebrew scriptures. I have no idea where you even got such an idea. To take only one example, Jerome worked from the Hebrew OT (much to the chagrin of some Catholic scholars). Beyond that, the LXX vs. MT has no bearing on this discussion, anyway. The Hebrew word is yom. The Greek word is hemera. Those two words are as synonymous as any two words can be in any language. To try to suggest that yom can mean a long period of time and that hermera . . . well, that's just incorrect. In fact, one of the interesting things that LXX scholars will point out is that the LXX is a VERY "wooden" translation of the Torah, but that is not at all the case in later parts of the OT. And that's something I can also attest to, having read significant portions of both the Hebrew OT and the LXX.An interesting part of the video is were David Rives states that "most Hebrew scholars agree the wording indicates a literal 24 hour day." Wasn't it Sir Isaac Newton, in the 17th century, who was the first to translate Genesis in the original Hebrew text, giving us a greater understanding of the word "day"? Prior to that didn't scholars and the patriarchs only translate the Greek text (Septuagint), thus leaving us with a translation of a translation? The remaining claims stated in the video seem rather baseless, if even worthy of debate.
"For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified"
http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/why-is-young ... important/
Beyond all that, though, the argument they are making is just silly. It doesn't really matter what the majority of Hebrew scholars believe, even if they could prove their claims. What matters is what can be shown, and if the majority are wrong, then they are just wrong. The only question we should be dealing with is what does yom mean in Genesis 1. I am convinced, after looking at every single occurrence of yom in the Torah and Joshua (604 occurrences, each classified individually in its various state: construct, absolute, with prepositions and without, (an)arthrous, etc.), that there is absolutely no doubt based on the way the word is used (from a strictly linguistic perspective) that Moses intended the word to mean a normal, 24 hour day, and any assertion to the contrary is completely baseless, absurd, and ignores the textual evidence as we have it.
But that's just me.
