Evidence for God from Science

Being Gay is not "bad" according to the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. What IS bad is sexual activities with people of the same sex.

Sex is meant only between a man and a woman! The reason for this is because a man and a woman complement each other on a physical level. They are also able to create life and get married. The purpose of marriage is to express love between another person and to create life! A gay couple may love each other but they are NOT able to create LIFE!!! That is one of the reasons of why sex between GAY couples is wrong!

The catholic church does not looke down upon a person being gay........BUT they DO LOOK DOWN UPON SEXUAL ACTIVITIES BETWEEN GAY COUPLES!! If a person is gay, they should abstain from sex! It is possible!!!

marys_little_one wrote:Being Gay is not "bad" according to the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. What IS bad is sexual activities with people of the same sex.

Sex is meant only between a man and a woman! The reason for this is because a man and a woman complement each other on a physical level. They are also able to create life and get married. The purpose of marriage is to express love between another person and to create life! A gay couple may love each other but they are NOT able to create LIFE!!! That is one of the reasons of why sex between GAY couples is wrong!

The catholic church does not looke down upon a person being gay........BUT they DO LOOK DOWN UPON SEXUAL ACTIVITIES BETWEEN GAY COUPLES!! If a person is gay, they should abstain from sex! It is possible!!!

And conservative Protestants encourage homosexuals to reform their sexuality, because having a homosexual orientation in itself is sinful. There are other interesting differences between Catholics and Protestants.

Pat Buchanan
January 16, 2002
Mainstreaming deviancy in California

While Americans remain focused on the war on terror and the doings at Enron, a decisive battle in the culture war will be fought out this month in the California State Assembly. At issue is Assembly Bill 1338, which would extend all the benefits of marriage to the pairings of homosexuals, known as "civil unions." To Ken Connor of Family Research Council, AB 1338 "is the most serious threat to marriage since the states foolishly embraced no-fault divorce in the 1960s." That is no understatement. For here is how the bill's crucial section reads: "Any statute or provision of California law that applies to marriage, marital status or a marital relationship shall apply in the same respect to civil unions."

That such a bill could become law in a state that not long ago was the bastion of conservatism should send a sobering message to the Right. Those who told us that we had won the cultural war were whistling past the graveyard.

But why is the counter-culture of the 1960s succeeding in its overthrow of our traditional Christian-based culture, when all our great religions and all our sacred books from the Torah to the New Testament to the Koran teach that homosexuality is unnatural, immoral, and ruinous to body, soul and society alike? Why is the gay rights lobby succeeding in California, where 61 percent of the electorate and over 70 percent of Hispanics voted, in Proposition 22 in 2000, to affirm that marriage is a union between one man and one woman.

Why are so few willing to fight when the awful consequences of the homosexual lifestyle are before our eyes every day? Not only are all-male couplings inherently barren, male sodomy has been the principal means of the transmission of the virus that causes AIDS, which has taken the lives of as many Americans as World War II.

A few years back, a survey of obituaries in the homosexual press found the average age of out-of-the-closet male homosexuals at death was 39 for those who had died of AIDS and 42 for the rest. This is what the Pope means when he speaks of a "culture of death."

How can a practice that, if universally indulged, would lead to the extinction of the species be normal and moral and good, as the state of California may now be about to declare urbi et orbi?

Just as the correlation between heavy smoking and early death from emphysema, lung cancer and heart disease has been established beyond refutation, so too, has the link between male sodomy and a short life. Yet, that deadly sexual practice is the very sacrament of the civil unions the California Assembly is being asked to sanctify.

Meanwhile, as the assembly confronts its moment of truth, San Francisco's public schools are instructing first-graders in the propagandistic lie that homosexual unions are as good and natural and normal as marriage. The Jesus of the Bible is a loving God, but he promises harsh judgment upon these corrupters of children:

"But who shall offend one of these little ones who believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

Why are traditionalists, who remain America's majority, on the defensive on this issue? The answers lies in moral confusion and fear. Politicians fear being branded a homophobe or a bigot by a powerful and vengeful homosexual lobby, and its fellow travelers in the press. Second, conservatives feel uncomfortable arguing moral issues. Their attitude often runs something like this: As long as the homosexuals do not bother me, why not give them what they want, so they will leave us alone and we can get on with the business of cutting taxes?

What the "It's the Economy, Stupid!" conservatives fail to recognize is that the end result of the triumph of the cultural and moral revolution underway in America is a decadent dying society and nation. For a house built upon a moral lie cannot stand. With their country is at risk, they cannot declare neutrality.

The truth must be spoken again and again. All lifestyles are not equal. And by the way in which they define themselves, male homosexuals are killing themselves. The state of California may declare otherwise, but that will not make it true.

It doesn't matter what we think.
What matters is that it was not part of Gods plan for his humanity according to his word.

ochotseat wrote:

marys_little_one wrote:Being Gay is not "bad" according to the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. What IS bad is sexual activities with people of the same sex.

Sex is meant only between a man and a woman! The reason for this is because a man and a woman complement each other on a physical level. They are also able to create life and get married. The purpose of marriage is to express love between another person and to create life! A gay couple may love each other but they are NOT able to create LIFE!!! That is one of the reasons of why sex between GAY couples is wrong!

The catholic church does not looke down upon a person being gay........BUT they DO LOOK DOWN UPON SEXUAL ACTIVITIES BETWEEN GAY COUPLES!! If a person is gay, they should abstain from sex! It is possible!!!

And conservative Protestants encourage homosexuals to reform their sexuality, because having a homosexual orientation in itself is sinful. There are other interesting differences between Catholics and Protestants.

Well conservative Protestants are wrong then, if they indeed all think like that which I seriously doubt, a homosexual disorientation isn't the sin, there's a clear distinction between attraction and lust after all. What is a sin however is the homosexual behaviour which may or may not result from that disorientation.

marys_little_one wrote:Being Gay is not "bad" according to the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. What IS bad is sexual activities with people of the same sex.

Sex is meant only between a man and a woman! The reason for this is because a man and a woman complement each other on a physical level. They are also able to create life and get married. The purpose of marriage is to express love between another person and to create life! A gay couple may love each other but they are NOT able to create LIFE!!! That is one of the reasons of why sex between GAY couples is wrong!

The catholic church does not looke down upon a person being gay........BUT they DO LOOK DOWN UPON SEXUAL ACTIVITIES BETWEEN GAY COUPLES!! If a person is gay, they should abstain from sex! It is possible!!!

I agree with all you say. A queer should refrain from sexual activities at all times in the same way a straight who isn't married is supposed to.

XenonII wrote: Well conservative Protestants are wrong then, if they indeed all think like that which I seriously doubt, a homosexual disorientation isn't the sin, there's a clear distinction between attraction and lust after all. What is a sin however is the homosexual behaviour which may or may not result from that disorientation.

So are conservative Protestants wrong for encouraging people to repress their same sex feelings?

ochotseat wrote:

XenonII wrote: Well conservative Protestants are wrong then, if they indeed all think like that which I seriously doubt, a homosexual disorientation isn't the sin, there's a clear distinction between attraction and lust after all. What is a sin however is the homosexual behaviour which may or may not result from that disorientation.

So are conservative Protestants wrong for encouraging people to repress their same sex feelings?

Of course not, to act on those same sex feelings is sinful.

XenonII wrote: Of course not, to act on those same sex feelings is sinful.

There are Protestant ministries out there that try to save homosexuals. It's a good thing they are.

ochotseat wrote:

XenonII wrote: Of course not, to act on those same sex feelings is sinful.

There are Protestant ministries out there that try to save homosexuals. It's a good thing they are.

Agreed. Although the saving of a homosexual doesnt necessary involve a conversion to heterosexuality. It may just be a case of giving up a "gay lifestyle" and dealing with all the other sins that person faces that are not necessarily related to being gay, the sort of sins we all my struggle with from time to time. If a conversion to heterosexuality does take place however, all the more better!

XenonII wrote: If a conversion to heterosexuality does take place however, all the more better!

Of course it is. I hope the Catholic and Orthodoxy Church get more into it too.

Most so-called-authorities-on-the-Bible do not understand the Bible. There is no place in the Bible where the word homosexual can be found because the word homosexual was only invented in the mid nineteenth century.
The word "effeminate" as quoted in the King James version which is the original recognized version of the orthodox Greek text merely refers it as anyone prostituting themselves, men or women for money. And in Romans 1:27 merely means men becoming lustful after prostitutes rather other men or women by paying them in the form of money. As a Doctor of Divinity with a degree in religious science of 45 years, I am applauded of the ignorance of today's ministers who misquote the Bible and absolutely do not understand it. They have no business spreading a false gospel to anyone, let alone mislead others in spreading untruths which in it's self is a sin. Instead of picking out one segment of society and twisting things around to confuse and control people for their own misguided and sinful desires, they need to go after the real sinners; slothness, gluttony, fornicators, cheating on spouses, child abuse, corruption, fraud, murder, drug users, domestic terrorism and spreading lies about the Bible. But no, because they have something themselves to hide, they make up things they claim are in the Bible, then pick out some minority and use it as their all time scapegoat and mislead thousands. These liars and false prophets are warned about in the Bible in the last days who will mislead even the very elite of God, for they themselves are condemned of Hell

Goodbrother wrote:Most so-called-authorities-on-the-Bible do not understand the Bible. There is no place in the Bible where the word homosexual can be found because the word homosexual was only invented in the mid nineteenth century. The word "effeminate" as quoted in the King James version which is the original recognized version of the orthodox Greek text merely refers it as anyone prostituting themselves, men or women for money. And in Romans 1:27 merely means men becoming lustful after prostitutes rather other men or women by paying them in the form of money.

You can't see that the act of a man laying with another man as with a women points directly at homosexuality?

Goodbrother wrote:As a Doctor of Divinity with a degree in religious science of 45 years, I am applauded of the ignorance of today's ministers who misquote the Bible and absolutely do not understand it.

So, Doc, you applaud misquoting Scripture? It's interesting that's the word you misspelled.

Romans 1

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of those who by their wickedness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse; 21for though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools; 23and they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the degrading of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind and to things that should not be done. 29They were filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, they are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, rebellious toward parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32They know God's decree, that those who practice such things deserve to die -- yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practice them.

Goodbrother wrote:They have no business spreading a false gospel to anyone, let alone mislead others in spreading untruths which in it's self is a sin. Instead of picking out one segment of society and twisting things around to confuse and control people for their own misguided and sinful desires, they need to go after the real sinners; slothness, gluttony, fornicators, cheating on spouses, child abuse, corruption, fraud, murder, drug users, domestic terrorism and spreading lies about the Bible.

False Gospel? God clearly states that homosexual acts will not be tolerated. Knowing this, do we turn a blind eye to our brothers that need to know the Truth, because thats the only thing that will save them from an eternity of torment.

Goodbrother wrote:But no, because they have something themselves to hide, they make up things they claim are in the Bible, then pick out some minority and use it as their all time scapegoat and mislead thousands. These liars and false prophets are warned about in the Bible in the last days who will mislead even the very elite of God, for they themselves are condemned of Hell

You mean 'elect' don't you? If it were possible even the very elect would believe. And this is refereing to false prophets and false christs showing signs and wonders.

Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce,if it were possible, even the elect.
Mar 13:23 But take ye heed:, behold, I have foretold you all things.

People will always hate the thing they are. The main reason people hate homosexuals has nothing to do with religion, that is a cop out. The reason is because they are homosexuals and by attacking other homosexuals makes them feel less of a homosexual themselves. It was like the American Indians a hundred years ago, people that were Indians hated other Indians. I have even met blacks who hate other blacks. If people would stop being bigots and spreading so much hatred around there would not be all of of these propaganda hate movements against homosexuals. Hate in it's self is a sin. So is bigotry. Hate and bigotry usually lead to violence and violence is a sin. "Judge ye not least ye be judged." And "he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Goodbrother wrote:People will always hate the thing they are.

Huh? sorry I don't know what your trying to say with that statement.

Goodbrother wrote:The main reason people hate homosexuals has nothing to do with religion, that is a cop out.

The main reason people hate homosexuals, is a lack of knowledge regaurding the saving grace of our Lord and Saviour. Most people that have no revelation of Christ yet have Gods law written on thier heart as it is written, will, due to thier errant ways, judge others and react harshly sometimes to those in error. And yes, that is a sin.

Goodbrother wrote:The reason is because they are homosexuals and by attacking other homosexuals makes them feel less of a homosexual themselves.

Ok then, attacking me personally won't get us anywhere, on to the topic at hand....

Goodbrother wrote:It was like the American Indians a hundred years ago, people that were Indians hated other Indians. I have even met blacks who hate other blacks.

And Iv'e met whites who hate whites. Whats your point?? Racism and hatred as I have pointed out is a sin, yes.

Please don't lump the sinfull nature of man in with the "fearfully and wonderfully made" creation, or the immoral acts of the few, God doesn't like blasphemy. Oh, and blasphemy is a sin too.

Goodbrother wrote:If people would stop being bigots and spreading so much hatred around there would not be all of of these propaganda hate movements against homosexuals.

Thats true, to a point. Although when you have a minority people (homosexuals) trying to push thier 'values' on the majority of Bible beleivers that know full well God sets his Sword against the sin of 'man laying with man' there is going to be war!

You fail to realize that, at the least, the act of homosexuality is a SIN. SIN SIN SIN according to the Word of God and therefore those that beleive on Him believe that it is a SIN also. Why? because God say's it is.

Did I mention that homosexuality according to Scripture is a SIN? and an "Abomination".

Goodbrother wrote:Hate in it's self is a sin. So is bigotry. Hate and bigotry usually lead to violence and violence is a sin. "Judge ye not least ye be judged." And "he who is without sin cast the first stone."

The law of man, in Canada and America were based on the Laws of God, at least the majority of them. So if I were to take 'judge not lest ye be juged as you do, we would have no law = lawlesness.

When you say I judge homosexuality, it is not I that judges, but the Lawgiver, God. I am mearly a messenger or witness to the fact God has already judged the homosexuals act as sin and an abomination.

And if I, knowing this, would sugar coat it (tantamount to changing the word of God) of say 'it's ok' or any other 'knowledge that raises itself up against the Word of God' It would be I that would be judged. And I'm not going there!!

If you have a problem with Gods laws please, don't hesitate to let Him know!