Nicki wrote:bbyrd009 wrote:crochet1949 wrote:John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was With God and the Word Was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made hat has been made. In Him was life, and that life was the light of men."
The Word of God is a collection of books that God inspired...
no, It is not, that is only what you have been led to believe and so that is what you see when you read now, but this cannot even be justified with the Book, or else you should have no problem with
In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God.
And this was accomplished so that you could then find Mansions in the Sky, and Rapture, rather than Nests, and Meeting Him in the Air, finding Word, which is nigh you, right now. Sorry. But there is not even any excuse for this now, a Lexicon is one click away. Go find Easter,
http://biblehub.com/kjv/acts/12.htm
there in verse 4, and then go to the Lex on that verse,
http://biblehub.com/lexicon/acts/12-4.htm
and see how you have been lied to, by people who signed Contracts for Jesus, so that you could pay them your money, ok?
that took me all of 2 minutes.
Where is the idea of Nests from? Jesus did say that his Father's house had many mansions (or rooms, in other versions)...
sure, and i don't think there is any problem with "mansions" per se, as long as they are understood to be allegorical. After all, i don't mean to suggest that God is weaving a bird's "nest" for us, either. So, the connection of mansion, dwelling place, nest, is made in other verses, i guess
Woe to him who builds his house by unjust gain, setting his nest on high to escape the clutches of ruin
psalm 104:12
{Beside them the birds of the heavens dwell; They lift up their voices among the branches.
The birds nest beside the streams and sing among the branches of the trees.}
Even the sparrow found a house for herself and the swallow a nest to lay her young at your altar, LORD of the Heavenly Armies, my king and God.
and the problem--if any--might be in when people start believing "in" what they are being told literally, "i'm getting a mansion in the sky," rather than what is meant, "a place to dwell, spiritually," not stopping to consider that mansions don't exist in the sky, and there is no "place" called heaven; which this last statement will also get quite a bit of resistance, despite the many direct refs to this truth.
so, to be clear, "Mansions" could also be a perfectly acceptable
allusion, just as valid as "nests," i'm sure, maybe even moreso if one is using the analogy of "building a Temple, on the Foundation of Christ."
it is just maybe a good idea to get people who indicate that they believe they are going to a physical place, and getting an actual mansion--which is common in people who have accepted that "the Word" = "the Bible"--thinking along more spiritual lines.
Nicki wrote:
So the KJV says Easter when it should be Passover, as 'Easter' was a term that came along later. Well, the NIV says Passover. I don't think the KJV is superior to modern versions just because it's old (but not nearly as old as the Bible itself).
well, Ishtar worship is pretty ancient, Babylonian, so, kind of like the mansions/nests thing, i'm not sure how important it is by itself, as a belief that people have, because what do i care if someone likes Easter, if they are good hearted, pure-hearted, and do me right even when i'm not looking, right?
But it is another indicator, and these things always accompany each other, and always occur among those who will tell you that all you have to do is accept
Jesus into your heart, and then you are done, you have done all you have to do to be saved, you don't have to do anything else, but they can't expound on "count the cost," and they will characterize themselves as having "picked up their cross" already, and it quickly becomes obvious that they have not connected circumcision with getting a handle on their ego, and they always, without fail, interpret the following
He said to them,
24“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because I tell you, many will try to enter and won’t be able
25once the homeowner gets up and shuts the door. Then you will stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up for us! ’ He will answer you, ‘I don’t know you or where you’re from.’
26Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets! ’
27But He will say, ‘I tell you, I don’t know you or where you’re from. Get away from Me, all you workers of unrighteousness! ’
in such a way as to actually disconnect "all you workers of unrighteousness!" with
people who go to church, religious people, the people who Christ castigated the most, and have accepted "Established Religion," etc, even though they have a "table" for the Lord's Supper right in front of them, they look at it every Sunday, and they proselytize, put it out in the street, iow, knock on doors with it, etc.
Now, since another poster and i have recently been talking about this passage, which has a Witness in Matthew, below, and ends up being the very description that Christ commands His followers go and do, elsewhere, let me say that i don't dispute that works done from bad motives, ie to expect that one will please God or earn salvation by them, is wrong, by any means, but that of course one must have works, as just backing up one or two verses in the Matthew passage evidences, as well as many other places; and the point i meant to make is that the "workers of unrighteousness" or "lawbreakers" are always disconnected from these "We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets" and "we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? " somehow, and when you try to ask about it or pin them down to an explanation, you are going to be let know quite plainly that you are in error, and you need help, prolly psychiatric help, etc.
19Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
i mean Jesus, how much plainer can it be that one must have works. Anyone who tells you that you don't need works is trying to kill you, ok, and they are always, always, always the "Rapture" people, who cannot make a single comment about Nehushtan, because trust me they have never heard of Nehushtan until you ask them about it, they have never had a sermon on Nehushtan, or a bible "study" on Nehushtan, and they always are quick to say "Christ, and Him crucified" (whenever they actually
do say the word "Christ") and repeatedly ask you whether or not you believe Jesus--they say "Jesus," mostly, not "Christ"--was crucified, whether Jesus died for you, to save you from your sins, and that is the sum total of their message, that and sin, death and sin is what they want to illuminate, "re-laying the foundation, over and over," the Book calls it, only try and bring
that verse up to them, and you're right back at Nehushtan.
And so, no offense to these people, ok, but they cannot hear you, either, when you start talking like this, so the best thing you can do is make plain your concerns when they inevitably start trying to "help you," and ask your innocent questions, and then when they start getting crappy, just say thank you and run.
22On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’
23Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!
so, that ended up being quite a rant, all from Easter, but understand that "satan
appears as an angel of light," which means satan looks good to us on the surface, but start digging, put down that broom and pick up a shovel, and the real light shines soon enough.
and what is the point? people want to sit on a fence, and have Christ accept them.
People want to have their cake and eat it, too.
Hey, me too, i understand.
