Re: Am I a Christian?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:22 pm
Can carry this on in pm if its better...
How are non believers in grace?
How are non believers in grace?
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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https://www.gci.org/law/nutshellStoryteller wrote:Can carry this on in pm if its better...
How are non believers in grace?
I'm not sure what you're asking.Storyteller wrote:This ties in with it coming down to actively rejecting Christ, doesnt it?
Everyone is born into the law, we move from condemnation of the law into the grace of the new covenant. If we don't decide to be apart of that covenant, we wont be. It isn't given by default, it's given by grace, which has to be accepted. People don't get condemned by the new covenant, but by the law. Grace, for a time, is opened to all. But no one has it, even when they do. So, we're only under the new covenant when we accept it and until we do are all under wrath and condemned by the law we are born into.RickD wrote: Non believers are still under grace. They are under the new covenant. We all are. Saying you have to accept the new covenant to be under it is not being consistent. You think non believers accept that they're under the law? Non believers, many of whom don't believe in God, accept that they're under the law of God?
God made a new covenant for all people. We are all under the new covenant. Some choose to accept the terms. Others don't.
YeahStoryteller wrote:That the only way of not being in grace is by rejecting it, Christ.
I think we're talking about two different things.Storyteller wrote:That the only way of not being in grace is by rejecting it, Christ.
Do you mind telling me where you are getting this from? Born into the law? What does that even mean? Scripture please.Mallz wrote:Everyone is born into the law, we move from condemnation of the law into the grace of the new covenant. If we don't decide to be apart of that covenant, we wont be. It isn't given by default, it's given by grace, which has to be accepted. People don't get condemned by the new covenant, but by the law. Grace, for a time, is opened to all. But no one has it, even when they do. So, we're only under the new covenant when we accept it and until we do are all under wrath and condemned by the law we are born into.RickD wrote: Non believers are still under grace. They are under the new covenant. We all are. Saying you have to accept the new covenant to be under it is not being consistent. You think non believers accept that they're under the law? Non believers, many of whom don't believe in God, accept that they're under the law of God?
God made a new covenant for all people. We are all under the new covenant. Some choose to accept the terms. Others don't.
I showed you where it's coming from: Romans 2:14-15.RickD wrote:Do you mind telling me where you are getting this from? Born into the law? What does that even mean? Scripture please.Mallz wrote:Everyone is born into the law, we move from condemnation of the law into the grace of the new covenant. If we don't decide to be apart of that covenant, we wont be. It isn't given by default, it's given by grace, which has to be accepted. People don't get condemned by the new covenant, but by the law. Grace, for a time, is opened to all. But no one has it, even when they do. So, we're only under the new covenant when we accept it and until we do are all under wrath and condemned by the law we are born into.RickD wrote: Non believers are still under grace. They are under the new covenant. We all are. Saying you have to accept the new covenant to be under it is not being consistent. You think non believers accept that they're under the law? Non believers, many of whom don't believe in God, accept that they're under the law of God?
God made a new covenant for all people. We are all under the new covenant. Some choose to accept the terms. Others don't.
We aren't born into nor under the law. The covenant of the OT law has ended. We are under the covenant of grace. The new covenant of the gospel of Christ.
I don't understand what you guys are talking about.
Sorry, you've lost me. I don't see those verses saying anything about Gentiles being born under the law. The Gentiles weren't given the law. The Jews in Paul's day were.Byblos wrote:I showed you where it's coming from: Romans 2:14-15.RickD wrote:Do you mind telling me where you are getting this from? Born into the law? What does that even mean? Scripture please.Mallz wrote:Everyone is born into the law, we move from condemnation of the law into the grace of the new covenant. If we don't decide to be apart of that covenant, we wont be. It isn't given by default, it's given by grace, which has to be accepted. People don't get condemned by the new covenant, but by the law. Grace, for a time, is opened to all. But no one has it, even when they do. So, we're only under the new covenant when we accept it and until we do are all under wrath and condemned by the law we are born into.RickD wrote: Non believers are still under grace. They are under the new covenant. We all are. Saying you have to accept the new covenant to be under it is not being consistent. You think non believers accept that they're under the law? Non believers, many of whom don't believe in God, accept that they're under the law of God?
God made a new covenant for all people. We are all under the new covenant. Some choose to accept the terms. Others don't.
We aren't born into nor under the law. The covenant of the OT law has ended. We are under the covenant of grace. The new covenant of the gospel of Christ.
I don't understand what you guys are talking about.
I seem to be losing you a lot lately.RickD wrote:Sorry, you've lost me. I don't see those verses saying anything about Gentiles being born under the law. The Gentiles weren't given the law. The Jews in Paul's day were.Byblos wrote:I showed you where it's coming from: Romans 2:14-15.RickD wrote:Do you mind telling me where you are getting this from? Born into the law? What does that even mean? Scripture please.Mallz wrote:Everyone is born into the law, we move from condemnation of the law into the grace of the new covenant. If we don't decide to be apart of that covenant, we wont be. It isn't given by default, it's given by grace, which has to be accepted. People don't get condemned by the new covenant, but by the law. Grace, for a time, is opened to all. But no one has it, even when they do. So, we're only under the new covenant when we accept it and until we do are all under wrath and condemned by the law we are born into.RickD wrote: Non believers are still under grace. They are under the new covenant. We all are. Saying you have to accept the new covenant to be under it is not being consistent. You think non believers accept that they're under the law? Non believers, many of whom don't believe in God, accept that they're under the law of God?
God made a new covenant for all people. We are all under the new covenant. Some choose to accept the terms. Others don't.
We aren't born into nor under the law. The covenant of the OT law has ended. We are under the covenant of grace. The new covenant of the gospel of Christ.
I don't understand what you guys are talking about.
Err... I'm not sure how to respond to that. Really. I don't. Think I'll be going now.RickD wrote:K,
I'm not equivocating. At least not intentionally. Although, if you think I'm obtuse, I think you're kinda acute.