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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:32 am
by Christian2
Have any of you ever run across anyone by the name of Elcesaites (sp?). He was a Gnostic heretic that describes Baptism as a mechanism for forgiving sin. About the time of Trajan. This would be a good source but I can't find anything on the web so far. Maybe it is the spelling that is tripping me up; or

maybe it came to me in a dream after eating too may hot chilies. lol

Re: History of Baptism, help needed

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:08 am
by Fortigurn
Byblos wrote:Oh! Now all of a sudden everything makes sense. Well, I think it does warrant splitting hairs. In other words, you do not believe in the holy trinity.
The hairsplitting to which I referred was trinitarian definitions of the trinity, not whether or not my beliefs are the same as yours (which they most certainly aren't).
And you have the audacity to attack Catholicism and label the pope as the antichrist?
Sure, why not? Many faithful Catholics have done the same.
You claim to be Christian and clearly you are not. True Christianity is ANY denomination that professes GOD, JESUS CHRIST, and the HOLY SPIRIT as the ONE TRUE GOD. THAT is indisputable history pal, and nothing you say will change that, not even the few out of context quotes you hold on to like a treasure to justify your false beliefs.
It might be history, but I don't think it's Scripture. But if you can find me a passage of Scripture which says that true Christianity necessitates a belief in the trinity, I'd love to see it.

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:18 am
by August
Christian2 wrote:Have any of you ever run across anyone by the name of Elcesaites (sp?). He was a Gnostic heretic that describes Baptism as a mechanism for forgiving sin. About the time of Trajan. This would be a good source but I can't find anything on the web so far. Maybe it is the spelling that is tripping me up; or

maybe it came to me in a dream after eating too may hot chilies. lol
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05372a.htm

Is that it?

Re: History of Baptism, help needed

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:19 am
by August
Fortigurn wrote:
Byblos wrote:Oh! Now all of a sudden everything makes sense. Well, I think it does warrant splitting hairs. In other words, you do not believe in the holy trinity.
The hairsplitting to which I referred was trinitarian definitions of the trinity, not whether or not my beliefs are the same as yours (which they most certainly aren't).
And you have the audacity to attack Catholicism and label the pope as the antichrist?
Sure, why not? Many faithful Catholics have done the same.
You claim to be Christian and clearly you are not. True Christianity is ANY denomination that professes GOD, JESUS CHRIST, and the HOLY SPIRIT as the ONE TRUE GOD. THAT is indisputable history pal, and nothing you say will change that, not even the few out of context quotes you hold on to like a treasure to justify your false beliefs.
It might be history, but I don't think it's Scripture. But if you can find me a passage of Scripture which says that true Christianity necessitates a belief in the trinity, I'd love to see it.
Folks, please start a new thread on this if you wish to pursue it.

Thanks

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:43 am
by Christian2
August wrote:
Christian2 wrote:Have any of you ever run across anyone by the name of Elcesaites (sp?). He was a Gnostic heretic that describes Baptism as a mechanism for forgiving sin. About the time of Trajan. This would be a good source but I can't find anything on the web so far. Maybe it is the spelling that is tripping me up; or

maybe it came to me in a dream after eating too may hot chilies. lol
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05372a.htm

Is that it?
August, I do believe that it is. Thank you so much.

Blessings.