Evidence for God from Science

godslanguage wrote:How do you know that there was'nt an internal bomb planted at the pentagon builiding with a bunch of pieces of airplane parts?

I am not saying my points are factual pieces of information, you are right, they are basically rumors being passed on. But there was an investigation done that proved very suspicious findings at the pentagon, findings that did not match the story that was told.

godslanguage wrote:Isn't also a fact that if the air crew or captain does not respond (or lose contact) for some reason for a certain amount of time, the plane will get shot down in a matter of minutes by F-16 figther planes. Didn't they know when the airplanes had gone off course through radar sightings. There has to be some sort of standard procedure for these types of situations, nothing was done, I know, but if there were standard procedures, would there be something done? Should there have been something differant done.

godslanguage wrote:Also, can anyone explain to me why no jewish people were working in the twin towers on those days, isn't this also suspicious, if ofcourse it is a fact.

"A senior Jewish journalist friend called me before the first
anniversary of 9/11 and said to me: 'You have to do something about
the Arab concept that the Jews are responsible for 9/11. Can you find
out how many Jews were killed there?'

A week later I called him and said 'about 500,' which is 15 to 17
percent of all the victims killed in the World Trade Center. The
figure would have been even higher had it not been for the fact that
many Orthodox Jews went to work an hour later because of the Selichot
prayers recited in the days before the Jewish New Year."

godslanguage wrote:If anyone was offended for some reason of my other post I am truly sorry, I mean no disrespect to the people who passed away, however, I was never talking in this regards. People obviously died, should I kill myself too Canuckster, what should I do. I assure you, if I faced a terrorist such as that of which was in the airplane, I would have broken every bone in his body, Hell for me or no hell.

How do you know that there was'nt an internal bomb planted at the pentagon builiding with a bunch of pieces of airplane parts?

Gman wrote:

How do you know that there was'nt an internal bomb planted at the pentagon builiding with a bunch of pieces of airplane parts?

You're waisting your time. This all started with the Waco thing and now everyone, at least the the ultra conservatives, thinks the government is up to it again. Like they planned it all.... Right... Our government despite it's faults it still one of the best in the world. I've lived in third world countries before and you would be surprised what we take for granted here. Why not help the government instead of turning it into a monster?

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godslanguage wrote:How do you know that there was'nt an internal bomb planted at the pentagon builiding with a bunch of pieces of airplane parts?

I am not saying my points are factual pieces of information, you are right, they are basically rumors being passed on. But there was an investigation done that proved very suspicious findings at the pentagon, findings that did not match the story that was told.

Isn't also a fact that if the air crew or captain does not respond (or lose contact) for some reason for a certain amount of time, the plane will get shot down in a matter of minutes by F-16 figther planes. Didn't they know when the airplanes had gone off course through radar sightings. There has to be some sort of standard procedure for these types of situations, nothing was done, I know, but if there were standard procedures, would there be something done? Should there have been something differant done.

Also, can anyone explain to me why no jewish people were working in the twin towers on those days, isn't this also suspicious, if ofcourse it is a fact.

If anyone was offended for some reason of my other post I am truly sorry, I mean no disrespect to the people who passed away, however, I was never talking in this regards. People obviously died, should I kill myself too Canuckster, what should I do. I assure you, if I faced a terrorist such as that of which was in the airplane, I would have broken every bone in his body, Hell for me or no hell.

While the conspiracy theories by and large are unfounded, it is a duty as a citizen of this great nation to monitor and criticize leadership. To blindly follow is for the armed forces alone.

Gman wrote:

While the conspiracy theories by and large are unfounded, it is a duty as a citizen of this great nation to monitor and criticize leadership. To blindly follow is for the armed forces alone.

True, however, what I mean by waisting everyone's time here is waisting it on these conspiracy things... I'm very familiar with these societies such as the John Birch society.

There is no smoking gun here, it's just speculation... Are people that bored with their lives? How about spending our time on REAL problems that are effecting the nation such as global warming or cancer? Do you want the facts?

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godslanguage wrote: Also, can anyone explain to me why no jewish people were working in the twin towers on those days, isn't this also suspicious, if ofcourse it is a fact.

If anyone was offended for some reason of my other post I am truly sorry, I mean no disrespect to the people who passed away, however, I was never talking in this regards. People obviously died, should I kill myself too Canuckster, what should I do. I assure you, if I faced a terrorist such as that of which was in the airplane, I would have broken every bone in his body, Hell for me or no hell.

Claims related to Jews and Israel
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Some Jewish employees did not attend work at the WTC on 9/11

This claim made by Al-Manar, the television station of the terrorist organization Hezbollah, has been repeated by a wide variety of other sources, such as Amiri Baraka. The original Al-Manar claim was:

"With the announcement of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the incident and started mourning 4,000 Israelis who work at the two towers. Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs the day the incident took place.

No one talked about any Israeli being killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day based on hints from the Israeli General Security apparatus, the Shabak, the fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S authorities of the information it had." (from the English language version of the Web site of Lebanon's Al-Manar Television posted September 17, 2001, cited ADL)

It is unclear whether al-Watan made these claims or who (if anyone) the alleged "Arab diplomatic sources" were. No independent confirmation has been produced for this claim; and much of it has been proven to be factually inaccurate (see below).

In some versions of the story circulated on the Internet, the title was changed to "4,000 Jewish Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack" from its original "4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack", spawning a further rumor that not only Israeli but all Jewish employees stayed away. On September 12 an American Web site called "Information Times" published an article with the headline "4,000 Jews Did Not Go To Work At WTC On Sept. 11," which it credited to "AL-MANAR Television Special Investigative Report." According to Slate.com, "The '4,000 Jews' page is easily forwarded as e-mail, and this may explain the message's rapid dissemination."[105] The rumour was also published; according to the United States Department of State "Syria's government-owned Al-Thawra newspaper may have been the first newspaper to make the "4,000 Jews" claim... its September 15th edition falsely claimed 'four thousand Jews were absent from their work on the day of the explosions.' "[106]

There were a total of 5 Israeli deaths in the attack (Alona Avraham, Leon Lebor, Shay Levinhar, Daniel Lewin, Haggai Sheffi), of which 3 were in the World Trade Center and 2 were on the planes. (4 are listed as American on most lists, presumably having dual citizenship.)

Early estimates of Israeli deaths, as of the total death toll and the death toll for other countries' citizens (e.g. India) proved substantially overestimated. George W. Bush cited the figure of 130 in his speech on September 20th.

The number of Jewish victims was considerably higher, typically estimated at around 400;[107][108] according to the United States Department of State

A total of 2,071 occupants of the World Trade Center died on September 11, among the 2,749 victims of the WTC attacks. According to an article in the October 11, 2001, Wall Street Journal, roughly 1,700 people had listed the religion of a person missing in the WTC attacks; approximately 10% were Jewish. A later article, in the September 5, 2002, Jewish Week, states, "based on the list of names, biographical information compiled by The New York Times, and information from records at the Medical Examiner's Office, there were at least 400 victims either confirmed or strongly believed to be Jewish." This would be approximately 15% of the total victims of the WTC attacks. A partial list of 390 Cantor Fitzgerald employees who died (out of 658 in the company) lists 49 Jewish memorial services, which is between 12% and 13%. This 10-15% estimate of Jewish fatalities tracks closely with the percentage of Jews living in the New York area. According to the 2002 American Jewish Year Book, 9% of the population of New York State, where 64% of the WTC victims lived, is Jewish. A 2002 study estimated that New York City's population was 12% Jewish. Forty-three percent of the WTC victims lived in New York City. Thus, the number of Jewish victims correlates very closely with the number of Jewish residents in New York. If 4,000 Jews had not reported for work on September 11, the number of Jewish victims would have been much lower than 10-15%.[109]

The figure "4,000" was probably taken by Al-Manar from a Jerusalem Post article of September 12 (p. 3) which said "The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack." This number was obviously not (as Al-Manar claimed) restricted to employees; in fact, Tsviya Shimon, minister of administrative affairs for the Israeli consulate and mission in New York, said on September 14 "that there might have been up to 100 Israeli citizens working in the World Trade Center". [110]

Furthermore, many Orthodox Jews left for work later than usual that day due to Selichot (additional prayers recited around the time of Rosh Hashanah).[111]

Byblos wrote: No, it is not fact. It became a fact due to 9/11, not before.

godslanguage wrote:Isn't also a fact that if the air crew or captain does not respond (or lose contact) for some reason for a certain amount of time, the plane will get shot down in a matter of minutes by F-16 figther planes. Didn't they know when the airplanes had gone off course through radar sightings. There has to be some sort of standard procedure for these types of situations, nothing was done, I know, but if there were standard procedures, would there be something done? Should there have been something differant done.

How do you know that there was'nt an internal bomb planted at the pentagon builiding with a bunch of pieces of airplane parts?

I assure you, if I faced a terrorist such as that of which was in the airplane, I would have broken every bone in his body, Hell for me or no hell.

Canuck wrote:I think the whole idea that the government planned 9/11 is bunk.

Gman wrote:I would agree with this also, it's all bunk...

Gman wrote:We have actual footage of planes hitting the buildings...

Byblos wrote:The twin towers were designed to collapse exactly as they did, so as to cause minimal damage to adjacent buildings.

Canuck wrote:On of the rules of superstructure architecture is you don't put anything up that you cannot safely take down later. Buildings are put up with a view later as to how they will be demolished.

"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a letter to President Bush said, “September eleven was not a simple operation. Could it be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services — or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess. Why have various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren't those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial?” He also wrote, “Some believe that the hype paved the way-- and was the justification-- for an attack on Afghanistan".

Kerux wrote:Pretty dogmatic there, wouldn't ya say, and nothing to back it up with.

Following are some of the numerous eyewitness accounts of the Pentagon crash:

* Richard Benedetto: "It was an American Airlines airplane, I could see it very clearly."
* Omar Campo, a Salvadorean" "It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane. I was cutting grass and it came in screaming over my head."
* Joseph Candelario: "I noticed a large aircraft flying low towards the White House. This aircraft then made a sharp turn and flew towards the Pentagon and seconds later crashed into it."
* James Cissell: "I saw this plane coming in and it was low - and getting lower. ... Then I saw the faces of some of the passengers on board."
* Dennis Clem: "There was a commercial airliner that said American Airliners over the side of it flying at just above treetop height at full speed headed for the Pentagon."
* Michael Dobbs: "It was an American airlines airliner. I was looking out the window and saw it come right over the Navy annex at a slow angle."
* Penny Elgas: "... the plane was directly over the cars in front of my car .... I remember recognizing it as an American Airlines plane -- I could see the windows and the color stripes."
* Cheryl Hammond: "We saw the big American Airlines plane and started running."
* Joe Harrington: "... one of my guys pointed to an American Airlines airplane 20 feet high over Washington Blvd."
* Albert Hemphill: "The aircraft, look[ed] to be either a 757 or Airbus."
* Terrance Kean: "I saw this very, very large passenger jet. It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon."
* William Lagasse: "It was close enough that I could see the windows and the blinds had been pulled down. I read American Airlines on it. ... I saw the aircraft above my head about 80 feet above the ground."
* Robert Leonard: "I ... saw a large commercial aircraft aiming for the Pentagon."
* Lincoln Liebner: "I saw this large American Airlines passenger jet coming in fast and low."
* Elaine McCusker: "I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating."
* Mitch Mitchell: "I ... saw, coming straight down the road at us, a huge jet plane clearly with American Airlines written on it .... It crossed about 100 feet in front of us and at about 20 feet altitude and we watched it go in. It struck the Pentagon."
* Terry Morin: "The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines."
* Christopher Munsey: "I couldn't believe what I was now seeing to my right: a silver, twin-engine American Airlines jetliner gliding almost noiselessly over the Navy Annex, fast, low and straight toward the Pentagon ...."
* Vin Narayanan: "I looked up to my left and saw an American Airlines jet flying right at me. The jet roared over my head, clearing my car by about 25 feet."
* John O'Keefe: "I don't know whether I saw or heard it first -- this silver plane; I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet ...."
* Steve Riskus: "I was close enough (about 100 feet or so) that I could see the 'American Airlines' logo on the tail as it headed towards the building .... I clearly saw the 'AA' logo with the eagle in the middle."
* James Ryan: "I see an American Airlines plane, silver plane, I could see AA on the tail. ... The plane was low enough that I could see the windows of the plane. I could see every detail of the plane. In my head I have ingrained forever this image of every detail of that plane. It was a silver plane, American Airlines plane, and I recognized it immediately as a passenger plane."
* Joel Sucherman: "... looking straight ahead there was a jet, what looked to be an American Airlines jet, probably a 757, and it came screaming across the highway ... [and] hit the west side of the Pentagon."
* Donald "Tim" Timmerman, a pilot: "I live on the 16th floor, overlooking the Pentagon ... and so I have quite a panorama. ... It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question."
Mike Walter: "I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. ... It went right there and slammed right into the Pentagon. I saw the big 'AA' on the side."
* Ian Wyatt: "I duck, I look up, it looks like a silver American Airlines, twin-engine plane and then boom."

Kerux wrote:In fact, we were also told none of the black boxes were found. They were able find and identify almost 3000 bodies and found a paper passport in perfect condition, but weren't able to locate any of the four black boxes that were built to withstand 3000 degree temperatures and are virtually indestructable? Yeah, and Christ didn't die on the cross either.

* many eyewitnesses saw a plane crash into the Pentagon
* the passenger and crew remains from American Airlines flight 77 were recovered at the Pentagon crash site
* eyewitness reports and photographs show plane debris at the Pentagon crash site
* passengers on American Airlines flight 77 made phone calls, reporting their aircraft had been hijacked
* senior Al Qaeda leaders have admitted they conducted the September 11 attacks.