"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
https://discussions.godandscience.org/
Why don't you just present it here? Why do you keep on trolling for us to go to an atheist site? Why don't you answer my questions?I Used 2 Be Christian =( wrote:Well, I'm sure you've all heard this argument before, but could you explain the Christian point of view for me? Or maybe come to the site and do it there?
This guy is making a lot of half truths and assumptions. Satan did the same thing to Eve in the garden of Eden.I Used 2 Be Christian =( wrote:Maybe you guys should come and take a look at the website. (http://www.neoatheism.com/forums/index.php)
Some of their arguments are pretty good, I mean, just take a look at this!
I mean, I don't think I believe in evolution, but even that is disturbing ...
Humans are truly the current pinnacle of the evolutionary train. The theist often claims that humans, homo sapiens, could not possibly arise with out a divine creator. When is the last time you saw a theist use his/her appendix? How about their coccyx (tail bone)? Human eyes are interesting things. Did you know if the light we see did not pass threw the neural connections behind the eye we would have better eyesight? In the cases of squids and octopi they have the neural connections behind the retina so they have better eyesight. Why did god make the eye less than it could be? Why do we have useless vestigial organs (appendix and coccyx)?
http://www.neoatheism.com/editorials2.html#design
Furthermore, these argument commit a fallacy of assuming how God created or would choose to create. Such belongs in the realm of theology, not science.Another common "vestigial" organ, according to many uninformed atheists is the human appendix. Since food does not flow through it, like the rest of the intestine, the assumption is that it has no function. It certainly does not have digestive function. This is true. However, the intestine is much more than just a digestive organ. An examination of the appendix microscopically, shows that it contains a significant amount of lymphoid tissue. Similar aggregates of lymphoid tissue (known as gut-associated lymphoid tissues, GALT) occur in other areas of the gastrointestinal system. The GALT are involved in the body's ability to recognize foreign antigens in ingested material. My own research, in particular, is focused on examining the immunological functions of the intestine.
Experiments in rabbits demonstrate that neonatal appendectomy impairs the development of mucosal immunity.11 Morphological and functional studies of the rabbit appendix indicate that it is probably the equivalent of the avian bursa in mammals.12 The bursa plays a critical role in the development of humoral immunity in birds. The histological and immunohistochemical similarity of the rabbit and human appendix suggest that the human appendix has a similar function to that of the rabbit appendix. The human appendix may be particularly important early in life because it achieves its greatest development shortly after birth and then regresses with age, eventually resembling such other regions of GALT as the Peyer's patches in the small intestine. These recent studies demonstrate that the human appendix is not a vestigial organ, as originally claimed.
According to Dr. Moore (Clinically Oriented Anatomy), "in infants and children it has the appearance of a well-developed lymphoid organ and may have important immunological functions."13
http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/ ... nebad.html (also refer to for the eye)
)Why don't you answer some of my questions first?I Used 2 Be Christian =( wrote:Ok, here's something I want to ask:
How come Luke 14:26 says "If any man come to me, and not hate his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sister, yet, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
I want to be Jesus' disciple, but I have to love my family too ...
Jesus is giving a greatly exaggerated example of how much more we should love Him/God than anyone else...including our parents.I Used 2 Be Christian =( wrote:Ok, here's something I want to ask:
How come Luke 14:26 says "If any man come to me, and not hate his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sister, yet, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
I want to be Jesus' disciple, but I have to love my family too ...
You didn't try visiting the site linked to did you?Nick_122 wrote:Then how do you explain wisdom teeth, the third eyelid, the fact our eye design is flawed, and tail bone? (I don't have a tail
Doesn't that sound a little self conceded?Jesus is giving a greatly exaggerated example of how much more we should love Him/God than anyone else...including our parents.
Who do you mean by guys? It is kind of a generic term, and if you mean me then ask away, I will try my best to answer.Guys, please read the board guidelines that you agreed to before you signed up. If you don't start answering questions soon, we will assume you are trolling and you will no longer be welcome here.
I told you, to broaden my education.August wrote:Why go there if you are Christian?
Well, I provided some of the editorials that have shaken my faith.August wrote:Why don't you list the main reasons you think you are no longer Christian?
I explained how horrible those passages are ...August wrote:What about them?
I think killing 70,000 people is mean.August wrote:By what standard do you judge that to be cruel and mean?
Why would it be in the Bible if it didn't happen?August wrote:Do you believe that it happened or not?
Because copy-pasting an entire argument here doesn't help - I wanted to show the original.August wrote:Why don't you just present it here?
Because that site has intelligent editorials I'd like answered.August wrote:Why do you keep on trolling for us to go to an atheist site?
That's what I'm doing.August wrote:Why don't you answer my questions?
Well, giving us unnecessary organs, like the tailbone, third eyelid, and things that Nick_122 listed seems unintelligent ...August wrote:To answer that argument, by what standard do you or the author wish to judge the intelligence of design?
Done.August wrote:Why don't you answer some of my questions first?
By what standard?Nick_122 wrote:Doesn't that sound a little self conceded?Jesus is giving a greatly exaggerated example of how much more we should love Him/God than anyone else...including our parents.