bizzt wrote:madscientist wrote:bizzt wrote:
From what I understand is that those who are "born again" are Born "of God". It actually does not talk about the "Will of God" but it talks about "of God". If you are saved therefore you are of God and were given the power to become sons of God and they (you) were born not of Blood or the will of the flesh or Man, but of God.
I hope that clears it up?
Aha!! nevere thought of that. Interpretation!!
Ya... but why only
some are called by God? - I mean, why only some have the chance to know Jesus, and others do not? - eg those in other religions, unbelievers etc. It's up to God but do all people get an [equal] chance to get to know and accept JC?
Dont think all get it equal though. Some are called and answer and some do not... their will or God's will?
I sometimes get confused about this as well... I believe that everyone is called but few answer. Equal chance is based upon our perception. A drug addict with unloving parents etc... do they get an equal chance compared to a person brought up in a Loving home, that goes to Church Regularly?
Isa 65:12
Isa 66:4
I believe everyone gets an equal chance. Think of it this: Satan knows Christ died on the cross for creation but we're told he won't be sitting with us at the Lamb's supper table.
So merely the knowledge of Christ's death and what it did is obviously not the key to getting saved. I believe that there is something spiritual which occurs at salvation....which might even mean that mentally impaired people, children who die from a young age and people in remote lands who have never heard the gospel may well have the same chance that someone who grows up in a Christian country or home has.
How many times have you heard pastors say that mentally retarded people are not subject to the same law? I'm sure at some level they know the difference between right and wrong.
And then if someone dies at a young age, that is swept under the carpet by claiming that there's an "age of accountability" which directly defies the fact that we are
born into sin...All of us. God is no respecter of persons or of a person's circumstances.
Now I believe that God is fair, so there's got to be a better answer. If the cards are stacked against someone (their life's circumstances), salvation must be set up to where they have an equal chance as the rest of us. Saying anything else actually implies that the people were predestined for hell or at least a little more predestined than the rest of us (something we know is not true) because they were born in a less-than-ideal situation.
You see, if you were to say that 90% of the people who are raised in buddhist, islamic, etc. countries are going to hell simply because most of them are going to stick with the religion they were raised with, then you are implying that they were in some way
predestined not to be saved because they were indoctrinated with (insert their country's religion here) all of their lives. Perhaps their parents even told them that they are going to hell if they stray from their religion!
God would not set someone up where it was so difficult for them to get saved and then say "let the cards fall where they may". I could be wrong but I don't think I am.
Christ had to die to save us, there's no way around that. However, the knowledge is not what saves us....receiving the holy spirit into our souls is what saves us. Christ made it possible.
You don't know have to know what's under the hood of a vehicle to know that a car will generally get you from point A to B.
Our spirit has knowledge of Who God is, I'm quite convinced. Acceptance or rejection of the Holy Spirit takes place at that level and I personally believe that that has nothing to do with what a person is raised with and taught or where they live.
Anyone can be brainwashed to believe just about anything...given enough torture, sleep-deprivation and drugs or from an early enough age. Salvation is much more than accepting a belief or a truth, it is accepting a spiritual relationship with God and I don't believe that it is dependent upon our minds but rather upon our heart, our soul.
There may be as many baptists in hell as muslims. I know that sounds shockingly horrible but remember God is no respecter of persons. When it comes to God, that is a personal choice that every individual must make and I don't believe has anything to do whether one's father is a preacher or an Imam or an atheist.
It doesn't mean there is anything wrong with spreading the gospel, Christ instructed the church to do that. It also doesn't mean that it is wrong to talk about Jesus or the Holy Spirit. It's important to keep that consciously in one's mind to stay disciplined.
The whole thing is my theory, I admit. But without implying a little predestination or implying that God really is a respecter of persons (i.e. people born in christian countries would have more exposure to the gospel and therefore, a greater chance than someone else), this is the only thing I can see that levels the playing field for us all.
koz i thought Kabbalah is acceptable with a religion. How then it leads peoole to God if it says it is againt prayers? all "gods" i think want prayers, so how does it lead one to God? And does it lead to any god - is it universal for any god people believe in?
) about the pain, egoism as a driving force for evil in the world, some thing on free will etc.
So i think i will have to find something else as explanation/theory if this isnt what my religion teaches...
But I am with you on that one 
