Evidence for God from Science

God exists in the supernatural realm and there is therefore no test we can do to prove or disprove god.

Echoside wrote: I wasnt aware that "odds" and what is "probable" indicated proof of something.

Echoside wrote: Also, I am not sure how you could "prove" the universe came into existence without a creator when the creator could have easily caused whatever event or occurence science would use as proof.

jlay wrote:Even a 3rd grader can tell you that a Chevy Corvette didn't create itself. The make is evidence of a maker. How anyone can look at creation and "scientifically" say, everything came from nothing, is beyond me.

waynepii wrote: I doubt an atheist would find that argument convincing at all - I expect they would ask "how is it MORE believable that Something That Can Create Everything From Nothing, itself came from nothing (or always existed)?"

For example, if tomorrow we found a way to create ,from very simple molecules, life, we will be able to have a rough idea of the odd for this life to have come about by itself. If the chance are good, then with our knowledge of our planet, we might find that actually, life on earth was a very probable event and therefore, no need for a creator (and so no God).

jlay wrote:

For example, if tomorrow we found a way to create ,from very simple molecules, life, we will be able to have a rough idea of the odd for this life to have come about by itself. If the chance are good, then with our knowledge of our planet, we might find that actually, life on earth was a very probable event and therefore, no need for a creator (and so no God).

That is a self-defeating argument.

If we (intelligent life) found a way to CREATE.......
That would be proof of intelligent design. To make your point, you would have to be able to observe life arising from nothing in a 100% natural environment.

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Polorky wrote:In summary, the day god is proven by science is the day I become a Christian (again) however the day god is proven by science is also the day Christianity becomes irrelevant as a religion and becomes just another branch of science. This, I feel, is not really the outcome anybody wants although, thankfully, it is not a situation that will ever occur anyway.

By that same token, the day that Darwinian evolution is proven by science is the day I may become a atheist... Thankfully, it is not a situation that will ever occur anyway...

Darwinian evolution does not disprove the existence of god, there are plenty of Christians who believe in evolution so I don't know why there is so much hostility towards evolutionary theory. Also I think you will find evolution has been proved to a great degree by science. Of course this doesn't mean that it is 100% definitely correct its just the best scientific model we have at the moment given the facts we have gleaned from the earth. If something comes along in the future that disproves evolution, science will adapt much as it did when Einstein proved Newtonian mechanics only worked in certain circumstances. This is the nature of science, if something turns out to be wrong in certain circumstances it is rejected and new areas of inquiry are opened up instead of taking one point of view and then sticking your head in the sand.

jlay wrote:

Even a 3rd grader can tell you that a Chevy Corvette didn't create itself. The make is evidence of a maker. How anyone can look at creation and "scientifically" say, everything came from nothing, is beyond me.

CliffsofBurton wrote:Well, a Corvette, you see, has a symbol on it that is as good as a signature. I have not seen that any type of supernatural being has scrawled his name on the earth. (Given, I have not seen the whole earth.)

CliffsofBurton wrote:Thank you for proving my point.

I checked out the PowerPoint above. Pretty profound. You struck a nerve with me when you said "God is the Universe."

CliffsofBurton wrote:I have a very similar belief, that is almost the same, only slightly different.

I think, The Universe is god.

CliffsofBurton wrote:Ah, Byblos, I just realized why, to me, you seem so pious and so strong in your religion.

You are a Catholic, no?

I am not being condescending. I think you are one of them who can do great things with your faith. It almost brings a tear to my eye to see such devotion.

I admire that.

zoegirl wrote:The point about the cars isnot so much the sign on the back proclaiming the type of car (let's, for instance,even ask the question how you know that the sign is designed, assuming you are an alien and know absolutely nothing about cars and car-makers).

The point is that we can look at systems annd examine their structure, their functioning, and determine conclusions about whehter their was intelligence at work in that structue and function.