Evidence for God from Science

jlay wrote:

My questions are an attempt to learn and understand. Some here choose to answer the questions, apparently others choose to judge me based on my questions. Am I wrong?

I can only speak for myself, not others here. I hope you get the answers to all your questions. There is nothing wrong with examining the question to see the motive behind. There is a saying, that you will never get the right answers unless you ask the right questions. Not saying your questions are wrong. But if we never get around to asking the most important question/s then what?

Sounds like Jac has provided some sound evidence that the Ark was in proportion to the modern scale of a barge.

Jlay,

I have given thought to exactly what you suggest. IF the scriptures are true, the effect on me personally and on EVERYONE personally is beyond description. It is for this reason that I am reading, studying and asking questions.

Let's talk about the things we can describe. If the scriptures are true then what does this say about God? Who is He, what is His character. How does God see you? What is your spiritual condition?

Jac did what I was asking. I had some evidence of confirmation of the 1:6 RATIO, I needed someone else to look at it and see if I was being deluded or not. He did well.
Now talking about the things we can describe. If the scriptures are true, then what does this say about God? I would feel that if the scriptures are true, then God Exists without question. Who is he? He is just that, God. His character? His character is as stated in the bible. How does God see me? Probably as the most imperfect of those seeking the truth right now. My spiritual condition? Not good really, I have a long way to go but I am at least trying to get there. I have a lot to learn, accept, understand and agree with but as you can see I am at least making an attempt.

W

Not good really, I have a long way to go but I am at least trying to get there.

The bible says that God has given light to every man. We can't create our own light. It isn't our effort. There is no, "you get an A for effort," when it comes to the Kingdom of God. However, we can respond. There is a fine line between trusting and trying, but the difference is eternal.

How does God see me? Probably as the most imperfect of those seeking the truth right now. ,

I seriously doubt you are any worse than myself or anyone who posts here. But you would agree then that it is critical to know how God sees us. It would also be important to understand the character of God.

His character is as stated in the bible.

And, in your own words, how would you summerize this?

My spiritual condition? Not good really

Scripturally speaking, how did you arrive at this conclusion?

jlay wrote:

Not good really, I have a long way to go but I am at least trying to get there.

The bible says that God has given light to every man. We can't create our own light. It isn't our effort. There is no, "you get an A for effort," when it comes to the Kingdom of God. However, we can respond. There is a fine line between trusting and trying, but the difference is eternal.

How does God see me? Probably as the most imperfect of those seeking the truth right now. ,

I seriously doubt you are any worse than myself or anyone who posts here. But you would agree then that it is critical to know how God sees us. It would also be important to understand the character of God.

His character is as stated in the bible.

And, in your own words, how would you summerize this?

My spiritual condition? Not good really

Scripturally speaking, how did you arrive at this conclusion?

Well Jlay, I don't think I am ready to take a grade in this course yet and I don't think we are at "add/drop." That being said, I know that any of us can drop dead at any time and the end will be the end.

I don't know how God sees me but however he sees me is how he sees me. Do you know how God sees you? I don't suppose this is like calling annualcreditreport.com and acing for your credit rating from equifax.

Relative to God's character, googling the question brings up a lot of interesting comments, the easiest of which is "all good all the time." Seems kind of simplistic if you ask me, what would your assessment of God's character be? I do as yet proclaim to know myself.

As for my spiritual condition. There are many aspects of life which contribute to our spiritual condition. Our spirit is affected by our jobs, our relationships with others and with God, our problems, triumphs and defeats. I don't feel quite as spiritually well right now as I would like to. I have had my ups and downs but such is life.

Perhaps I have not answered your questions quite as well as you or I would have liked, but I am where I am right now and trying to get to where I would like to be.

W

Noah's Ark uses a Golden Rectangle
In Genesis 6:15, God commands Noah to build an ark saying,

"And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits."

Thus the end of the ark, at 50 by 30 cubits, is also in the ratio of 5 to 3, or 1.666..., again a close approximation of phi not visibly different to the naked eye. Noah's ark was built in the same proportion as ten arks of the covenant placed side by side.

Phi, or the "Golden ratio" was used extensively by the ancient greeks before/during the writing of Genesis (6th to 10th Century b.c), it would have been the best science at the time.

Regardless of what you believe this link is pretty good. http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/barry/windsor2.html

I don't know how God sees me but however he sees me is how he sees me. Do you know how God sees you?

Yes, I am very aware of how God sees me. If you are serious about studying the bible then it is easy to learn how God sees you, and also very easy to discern God's character. http://www.1way2god.net/charofgod.html By your own words you said, regarding the scriptures being true, "the effect on me personally and on EVERYONE personally is beyond description."
So, we should examine and see what the Bible has to say about our condition. I agree, if the Bible is true, then there is nothing more important.

My questions are an attempt to learn and understand.

And that is exactly my desire. To see that you get the right answer, and to see that you ask the right questions. So how does God see you? We don't have to speculate. We can go to the Word. God has given us a measuring stick. God's standard is righteousness. God revealed this to the world through the prophet Moses when He gave the law. Paul refers to this as the "glorious standard." Romans 3:23
How have you done, have you kept God's law? Have you ever told a lie?

jlay wrote:

I don't know how God sees me but however he sees me is how he sees me. Do you know how God sees you?

Yes, I am very aware of how God sees me. If you are serious about studying the bible then it is easy to learn how God sees you, and also very easy to discern God's character. http://www.1way2god.net/charofgod.html By your own words you said, regarding the scriptures being true, "the effect on me personally and on EVERYONE personally is beyond description."
So, we should examine and see what the Bible has to say about our condition. I agree, if the Bible is true, then there is nothing more important.

My questions are an attempt to learn and understand.

And that is exactly my desire. To see that you get the right answer, and to see that you ask the right questions. So how does God see you? We don't have to speculate. We can go to the Word. God has given us a measuring stick. God's standard is righteousness. God revealed this to the world through the prophet Moses when He gave the law. Paul refers to this as the "glorious standard." Romans 3:23
How have you done, have you kept God's law? Have you ever told a lie?

Have I ever told a lie? Yes, I have. As a kid I should have been a fiction writer, I have a marvelous imagination and could talk my way out of anything. I don't think as an adult that dishonesty is a major problem with me. I bend the truth on occasion which is in effect the same as telling a lie. I am not as yet the righteous type, but I am working on it. I have not been keeping God's laws as I should, but having read what I have read, I am not sure that man is capable of keeping God's laws to any realistic degree. Just my opinion.

W

cslewislover wrote:But once we accept Christ, we are righteous in Him. We are a new creation and it doesn't matter if we lied or sinned in other ways in the past.

That's nice to know Vicki, I'm working on it. Will let you know when I get there.

W

WConn wrote:

cslewislover wrote:But once we accept Christ, we are righteous in Him. We are a new creation and it doesn't matter if we lied or sinned in other ways in the past.

That's nice to know Vicki, I'm working on it. Will let you know when I get there.

W

You have nothing to loose but all to gain WConn.. Our lives are very short here on this earth. We need to be wise in our ways.. God offers his love to everyone. There really isn't much to it, its really not that complicated...

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You have nothing to loose but all to gain WConn.. Our lives are very short here on this earth. We need to be wise in our ways.. God offers his love to everyone. There really isn't much to it, its really not that complicated...[/quote]

"There really isn't much to it, its really not that complicated?" What are we saying here? I am seeking answers and understanding. Are you saying I don't have to do that and just accept? Pretend? Believe without believing? I am afraid that too many of my friends are doing just that. In my estimation one cannot truly claim to be a Christian if one is openly defying God's law. When I make the transition, I will make the transition. I am somewhat confused by your above noted comment.

W

WConn wrote: "There really isn't much to it, its really not that complicated?" What are we saying here? I am seeking answers and understanding. Are you saying I don't have to do that and just accept? Pretend? Believe without believing? I am afraid that too many of my friends are doing just that. In my estimation one cannot truly claim to be a Christian if one is openly defying God's law. When I make the transition, I will make the transition. I am somewhat confused by your above noted comment.

W

Sorry for being so vague. I guess a better question is what do we really seek? Is it just all knowledge? What about love and freedom? Do we let everything else go by the way side? The Bible is also clear that without love we are nothing 1 Corinthians 13:2 1 John 4:8.

I'm not trying to negate knowledge. We just don't go blindly following wherever someone tells us to go.. But we also need to be rooted and grounded in love above everything else Ephesians 3:17-18.

Is that clearer?

Gman wrote:

WConn wrote: "There really isn't much to it, its really not that complicated?" What are we saying here? I am seeking answers and understanding. Are you saying I don't have to do that and just accept? Pretend? Believe without believing? I am afraid that too many of my friends are doing just that. In my estimation one cannot truly claim to be a Christian if one is openly defying God's law. When I make the transition, I will make the transition. I am somewhat confused by your above noted comment.

W

Sorry for being so vague. I guess a better question is what do we really seek? Is it just all knowledge? What about love and freedom? Do we let everything else go by the way side? The Bible is also clear that without love we are nothing 1 Corinthians 13:2 1 John 4:8.

I'm not trying to negate knowledge. We just don't go blindly following wherever someone tells us to go.. But we also need to be rooted and grounded in love above everything else Ephesians 3:17-18.

Is that clearer?

What love are we talking a bout here? The love of another human, a woman? The love of God or love for God?
I am seeking the truth. I am not sure what that is yet. I have read much of the bible and I guess I am trying to find that Ah ha moment. I find it to be quite repetitive, especially the writings of Paul and John among others. What am I missing here?
W

WConn wrote: What love are we talking a bout here? The love of another human, a woman? The love of God or love for God?
I am seeking the truth. I am not sure what that is yet. I have read much of the bible and I guess I am trying to find that Ah ha moment. I find it to be quite repetitive, especially the writings of Paul and John among others. What am I missing here?
W

WConn,

Perhaps these articles will help..

http://www.godandscience.org/love/biblicallove.html
http://www.godandscience.org/love/outrageous.html
http://www.godandscience.org/love/greatest.html

You were talking about the laws of God earlier.. Part of those laws is that we put love in the forefront of our beliefs, in our very heart Matthew 22:36-40.

Gman wrote:

WConn wrote: What love are we talking a bout here? The love of another human, a woman? The love of God or love for God?
I am seeking the truth. I am not sure what that is yet. I have read much of the bible and I guess I am trying to find that Ah ha moment. I find it to be quite repetitive, especially the writings of Paul and John among others. What am I missing here?
W

WConn,

Perhaps these articles will help..

http://www.godandscience.org/love/biblicallove.html
http://www.godandscience.org/love/outrageous.html
http://www.godandscience.org/love/greatest.html

You were talking about the laws of God earlier.. Part of those laws is that we put love in the forefront of our beliefs, in our very heart Matthew 22:36-40.

Well I read the links you sent and I found the following conclusion at the end of the first link:
"If you are not a Christian, I hope you desire to express love as defined in the Bible. However, wanting to do so and attempting to do so in the power of your own will is guaranteed to fail. This kind of love is only possible through relying on the power of God, through faith in Jesus Christ. Even if you are a Christian, you will not succeed if you do not abide in Christ. May the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God and into the steadfastness of Christ."

Note it says that wanting to do so and attempting to do so in the power of your own will is guaranteed to fail. It is only possible thru relying on the power of God, thru faith in Jesus christ. My struggle continues to be that I have not yet found myself relying on the power of god. Tell me, how did this happen to you? Was there an an "ah ha" moment for you? Did you just DECIDE to do so? What is the actual path here? Again, I have a lot of friends who claim to be christians who in my estimation do not act like they actually are.

W

WConn.. It's like a bunch of "ah ha" moments... It's a process. It's not like you suddenly become transformed. Spiritually you are, but we also need to transform our minds by renewing it Romans 12:2.