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Re: Science is just the means to an end, not the end.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:34 pm
by robyn hill
My mistake, C.S. was not a scientist, rather an atheist and a realist who believed in materialism, of course until he became a Christian.

Re: Science is just the means to an end, not the end.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:43 pm
by robyn hill
I have studied the anthropic principle and it could explain how our universe is just the way it is because it would simply be something else otherwise (I probably just stated that is very poor layman's terms, but not concerned with eloquence) anyway, what about that nature seems to punish those who partake in activities which weaken their character. Maybe that fits too, but I would love an explanation how.

Re: Science is just the means to an end, not the end.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:45 pm
by touchingcloth
How do you mean by "punish" and "activities that weaken their character"?

Re: Science is just the means to an end, not the end.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:08 pm
by robyn hill
Touching Cloth, It is the second or third comment (long winded) I put on this post.

Re: Science is just the means to an end, not the end.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:46 pm
by robyn hill
We are equipped with many intellectual skills as humans. We have many skills to allow us to think through many lenses. We can see life through many perspectives: philosophical perspective(trying to answer why), a mathematical perspective(seeing numerical truths),scientific perspective (proof) logical or reasoning perspective (puting it all together and being able to discern, and experience (subjective truths)
Philosophically, I see God as the only explanation with why we would have all these skills that differ from animals,and a whole other slew of reasons which I've already bored many with on this site. Mathematically, I know we live in a solar system that defied the odds of living on a planet that sustains life, we have yet to find another. Through experience, I have read a bible that seems to hold universal truths,has never been disproven, has prophesy, and would seem absurd that someone would have been bored and yet sensible enough to write a book that has stood the test of time.I have had uncanny experience with prayer as well. Science perspective (proof) is the one perspective that doesn't fully, and I mean 100%, because I do see proof, but not 100% support God which is why it is not scientific in nature. So then I pull out my reasoning and logic lens and can only deduce that all of these point to a God EXCEPT the science perspective. If i were to put them on a scale, all the others would far outweigh that of science. Why would I put my ability to proove at a higher value than all the other skills I have as a human? Is that logical, is that reasonable?

Re: Science is just the means to an end, not the end.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:57 pm
by robyn hill
Besides, if you were God, wouldn't you rather be seeked, allowing humans to find truths, instead of just laying them out there? Wouldn't that be the reason you would create humans so they could have their own experience? How else could you give humans an experience? When we let our children go out into the world, how selfish would that be to demand you look over there every move, deciding if it is ok or not. Don't we teach our children what we can and have "faith" they will make the right choices?