Evidence for God from Science

cslewislover wrote:2Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears,[a]we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

cslewislover wrote: 4Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

Gabrielman wrote: Thank you again for posting this!!!!
Okay so I don't really have any questions for Chapter 2, it actually answered some of mine from one, lol, but I do have a few here.

cslewislover wrote:2Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears,[a]we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Okay I was always under the idea that we could never lay eyes on God Himself, as it would be too much for us to comprehend, so does this mean that when we are in the spirit that it will not be so? Hm, just wondering, lol I know that isn't what this is all about, but I just like to know stuff!

cslewislover wrote:4Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

Okay I know that we all sin, and that is because we are sinful beings. But this confuses me. He doesn't mean that those who are born again will never sin again, does he?
Thank you again for making this thread!!! It is helping to read the word more!!!!!

Well, I believe it means that no one in Christ has the sin nature anymore, so they won't keep "sinning," like following our old sin nature. I'm in a rush and may come back to this. I'm so glad you like it and it is helping you, and you find things to question and think about!

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cslewislover wrote: Well, I believe it means that no one in Christ has the sin nature anymore, so they won't keep "sinning," like following our old sin nature. I'm in a rush and may come back to this. I'm so glad you like it and it is helping you, and you find things to question and think about!

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Jac3510 wrote:Gabe,

If I may, an alternative view to your question about Christians and sin is that every Christian has two natures--the old sinful nature which he will battle until death (cf. Rom 7-8) and the new nature which is not capable of sin. You choose each day which you will walk in, moment to moment.

I don't think advocates of the one nature view take this passage seriously enough. It says that the new man is not capable of sin. NOT CAPABLE. But even if you take the lighter view that they won't "keep on" sinning, you have to ask, "how much is 'keep on'"? You never know if you are saved. Notice the text does NOT say the real believer won't keep on sinning without repentance--that if you keep on sinning but keep on repenting you know you are saved. It says that the new man will not sin. Period. If you take that in a continuous, "keep on" sense, then you have the flat statement that the new man won't keep on sinning. Nothing about repentence.

So, like I said, just an alternative. Seems to make much more sense to me to recognize that the believer has two natures, hense the exhortations all over the NT to walk in the Spirit, to put off the old man and put on the new, to die to self daily, etc.

God bless

Okay this part I have encountered a lot in life. Isn't it referring to those who claim to be in Christ but still live sinful lives? Many a time I ask people who say they are Christians why they live a certain way and they say it is because God will forgive them anyway so why worry. So that is what this is getting at, I believe.

cslewislover wrote:[ch 3]4Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

Okay I know that we all sin, and that is because we are sinful beings. But this confuses me. He doesn't mean that those who are born again will never sin again, does he?

1 John 1:8-9. "Sinning" refers to our corrupt evil nature, "sins" are the evils we have done.

Thank you again for making this thread!!! It is helping to read the word more!!!!!

I think it's time for a refill!! We need a biscotti or cookie emoticon! + I'm glad you can read the bible here. We are so blessed in this place and age that we can have basically unlimited access to God's word, in different versions and languages. Chapter 4 follows; be blessed and enjoy!

cslewislover wrote: No. Back in Chapter 1-2, John writes: 8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. 1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

cslewislover wrote:

Gabrielman wrote: Thank you again for posting this!!!!
Okay so I don't really have any questions for Chapter 2, it actually answered some of mine from one, lol, but I do have a few here.

cslewislover wrote:2Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears,[a]we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Okay I was always under the idea that we could never lay eyes on God Himself, as it would be too much for us to comprehend, so does this mean that when we are in the spirit that it will not be so? Hm, just wondering, lol I know that isn't what this is all about, but I just like to know stuff!

Oh, well this refers to when He returns, and I'll have to get the verse from one of Paul's letters. When He returns we shall get glorified bodies like His. But it does make it sound like we won't see Him before that, when we are spirit or soul, so I'd like to look into that more!

Hi Nathaniel! So I did look into this some more, and I still am, and you can see what I have posted about it (and see related posts, of course) so far in this thread: http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... =3&t=33992 Anyone, please join in there if you feel so inclined!

While I'm here, I'll post Chapter 5, which is the last of 1 John.


1 John 5 (NIV, Bible Gateway)

[Faith in the Son of God]
1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

6This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7For there are three that testify: 8the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

[Concluding Remarks]
13I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. 15And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him.

16If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. 17All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

18We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him. 19We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. 20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

21Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

Footnotes:
a. 1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century)

cslewislover wrote: Hi Nathaniel! So I did look into this some more, and I still am, and you can see what I have posted about it (and see related posts, of course) so far in this thread: http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... =3&t=33992 Anyone, please join in there if you feel so inclined!

While I'm here, I'll post Chapter 5, which is the last of 1 John.

cslewislover wrote: 21Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

cslewislover wrote:1 John 4 (NIV)

[Test the Spirits]
1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

As we enter the 21st century and a new millennium, Satan has devised the delusion that mankind is entering into an important evolutionary phase called the New Age. The current push for "global enlightenment" is but one outward form of the New Age movement in their attempt to bring the world into a single-thinking Order, complete with a new religion, as well as otherworldly god-like beings for which to venerate and worship. Interviews taken of ex-Wiccans and Satanists indicate a high level of personal contact with various alien beings accompanying certain coven rituals such as the sacrificial rites of the Black Mass. Morever, those coming from the highest echelon of Satanism believe these same beings to inhabit the earth as demons. They also believe the first established civilization was Atlantis and that Satan was its King before its destruction. However, their otherwise insidious assertion that superior beings are out there providing us technology and spiritual wisdom to become Gods is something Satan always knew could effectively tempt us, after all, the promise made toward our ancestors that they also could become as enlightened Gods if they simply renounce God and His plan was a lie that worked quite well before in Eden. In Genesis 3, we read about Satan in his form as the Nachash (Hebrew; Serpent), an extremely intelligent cunning creature possessed with the ability to speak and reason. This same Nachash or Shining Serpent/Dragon used his vast intelligence to beguile Eve into bringing not eternal life as a God for herself and Adam, yet Sin and eternal Death. Believing the deception of the Nachash Serpent, Adam and Eve fell from their original blessed state and were cast out of the Garden, the archetype of being cast out of Heaven. As a result both Satan and his demonic Angels have been engaged in continual warfare against the human race ever since, striving to drag the collective souls of mankind further down to their own level, whereby man would die in their non-repentive un-Godly sins and live out an eternal existence in unescapable punishment, just as they.

Zebulon wrote:

cslewislover wrote:1 John 4 (NIV)

[Test the Spirits]
1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

From another source (no copyright and free to read)

As we enter the 21st century and a new millennium, Satan has devised the delusion that mankind is entering into an important evolutionary phase called the New Age. . . .

Zebulon

Gabrielman wrote:

cslewislover wrote: Hi Nathaniel! So I did look into this some more, and I still am, and you can see what I have posted about it (and see related posts, of course) so far in this thread: //discussions.godandscience.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=33992 Anyone, please join in there if you feel so inclined!

While I'm here, I'll post Chapter 5, which is the last of 1 John.

Hi Vicki!!!! Thank you for your help with John!!! Can't wait to start the next book!!! And thanks for the thread link, lol but I will have to read it over before I can post on it!!!

cslewislover wrote: 21Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

I am eagerly awaiting the next one!!! No questions on this chapter, and thanks again for all your help!!!

Hi Nathaniel!! Ok. The next three "books" are very very short, and I was wondering if I should keep going directly and include Revelation. I think I will. The beginning of Revelation is very good to meditate on, and the rest is highly interesting, with Angels and destruction and all , even if none of us know what all of it means for certain. A lot of people don't read Revelation, from what I can tell, so it would be good to post it I think. Any lengthy discussions or hair-raising debates can be directed to another thread.

Care for some?