I have no issue with the Standard being sin specifically, I have an issue with the standard, whatever it is being unattainable through any means. Don't you think scripture like John 3:16 loses much of it's value when "whoever believes in him" becomes "whoever is destined" to believe in him? If the entire world wanted to be good through God, yet some of them were not picked for reasons outside their control, and spend an eternity condemned, where is the love and righteousness?August wrote:Once again, you give no alternative for either a standard or mechanism by which people should be saved or not. What is your solution? If you are considering worshiping a God, what do want that God to be like? I am genuinely curious as to what you think about this.
If not the fault of God for sin who else could take the blame? If I create 10 cars and sell them, and they do not start, is it the car's fault or my own? I am using things like paintings, cars, etc. for a reason, they have no free will, they have no real decision making and they have no choice. Unless you want to say we do have choice? If not then I do not see where the problem with any of my analogies comes in.August wrote:We obviously have very different views of what humans are, as can be expected from your belief system. God did not generate the world to have sin, but once it happened He had to deal with it. The standard can not be anything, that is the reason that God revealed His standard for us. That we fall short of the standard and is corrupted is not His fault, but that of humanity itself. We have to deal with the facts...there is sin, people are lost, some are saved, others are not. Why do you think it is like that?
As to my view on free will, what Jlay said seems to fit with what I am talking about. My choices are what have been set before me. I can choose to reject or accept God. I was under the impression Jesus died for all of mankind, so that anyone could be forgiven, of their own volition. The gift of salvation seems meaningless to me without free will. I take Jeremiah 29:13 very seriously in my search, yet you are telling me God might not even let me seek him, I simply might not be "destined" through no fault of my own.