Evidence for God from Science

DannyM wrote:

RickD wrote:Danny wrote:

If we see John the gay Christian stumble and pick up Fred in a nightclub then we cannot know of the conflict within this Christian’s heart.

Danny, what are you doing in a gay nightclub, anyways?

Funny story: me and some mates fell into a gay club one night... Happy to say I wasn't converted

RickD wrote:

DannyM wrote:

RickD wrote:Danny wrote:

If we see John the gay Christian stumble and pick up Fred in a nightclub then we cannot know of the conflict within this Christian’s heart.

Danny, what are you doing in a gay nightclub, anyways?

Funny story: me and some mates fell into a gay club one night... Happy to say I wasn't converted

So, the stereotype about all British men being effeminate is true? Fell into a gay club..That's a good one , Danny.

DannyM wrote:

RickD wrote:

DannyM wrote:

RickD wrote:Danny wrote:

If we see John the gay Christian stumble and pick up Fred in a nightclub then we cannot know of the conflict within this Christian’s heart.

Danny, what are you doing in a gay nightclub, anyways?

Funny story: me and some mates fell into a gay club one night... Happy to say I wasn't converted

So, the stereotype about all British men being effeminate is true? Fell into a gay club..That's a good one , Danny.

Least I'm not bloody offended by it, Rick!

RickD wrote:here you go, Danny:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyICEPGq2C4

DannyM wrote:

RickD wrote:here you go, Danny:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyICEPGq2C4

Rick, what the blazes was that? Was that Americans trying to do a plumb British accent?

RickD wrote:

DannyM wrote:

RickD wrote:here you go, Danny:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyICEPGq2C4

Rick, what the blazes was that? Was that Americans trying to do a plumb British accent?

No Danny. I thought it was you and your mates after having a few too many in that night club you "stumbled" into.

Zukkor wrote:Hello, first I would like to introduce myself as I have just joined this forum. I am relatively new in faith, and I used to be an atheist. But, I found my reasons for being an atheist lied more in the fact of my utter disagreements with religion and it's claims, than with the actual belief in God. And to be honest, in this Postmodernist society, it seems more kids my age lack the belief in God and Jesus and deem it as "uncool".

But now, to the point. Homosexuality is not a sin, it is not a choice, and it is not a sickness or disease. Whomever so thinks any of the aforementioned are the case, then they would be wrong. Not only are they wrong, but I daresay they are not true followers of God. To be completely honest, I believe that not everything in the Bible is innately correct, or meant to be taken literally. After all, it was written by the hand of man, and man is inherently evil.

Now, this has been a question of mine for as long as I can remember. If one is truly a person of God, then why do they blatantly discriminate and harm other human beings whom are homosexual? It even seems to get to the point of hate, which is not what a person of God should be doing. Think really deeply about it, being homosexual is not a choice, and if you believe so then you are an ignorant person. Why would someone choose to be homosexual, knowing that others will surely attack them for it? No, it is not a choice, but a natural phenomenon within nature. So now, I ask why some of you may think that homosexuality is bad, I am eager for reasons.

Tina wrote:So far, I have not found anything saying that homosexuality is a sin. Just sex between the same genders. So I guess it says two guys can be together, they just can't have sex? I'm not quite sure yet.

Yes...temptation isn't a sin. Giving into temptation is the sin.

Ivellious wrote:

Yes...temptation isn't a sin. Giving into temptation is the sin.

But could you not simply counter that by saying heterosexual attraction is just "temptation" and that any time you were to have sex with someone of the opposite sex you find attractive, you are doing the exact same thing? If you concede that homosexuality is a real, natural, and innate aspect of certain people, you are basically saying that "my temptation is just better than theirs." I find that to be rather odd.

Ivellious wrote:I'm not saying outside of marriage. But just when you say "wanting to have sex with somebody i.e. "temptation", is a sin if you follow through with it" is basically saying that heterosexual temptation is ok if you get married, but homosexual temptation is not. I'm just saying, if you accept that homosexuality isn't just made up or learned behavior or whatever, you are basically saying that temptation is only ok if it's heterosexual. In essence, that kind of temptation (presuming you are attracted to you spouse...) is just "better" than homosexuality in general.

For the record, you don't need to argue that, I wasn't looking for an argument...it's one of those battles that neither side can really convince each other of because of such drastically different ideals/worldviews.

Ivellious wrote:But could you not simply counter that by saying heterosexual attraction is just "temptation" and that any time you were to have sex with someone of the opposite sex you find attractive, you are doing the exact same thing? If you concede that homosexuality is a real, natural, and innate aspect of certain people, you are basically saying that "my temptation is just better than theirs." I find that to be rather odd.

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Yes...temptation isn't a sin. Giving into temptation is the sin.

Ivellious, if you do a search on the many "homosexual" threads, you'll see that most Christians here, agree that having sex outside marriage is a sin. Whether or not it's sex with the opposite sex.