"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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neo-x wrote:And you might wanna know that Charles Manson thought that the Beatles were prophets, telling how the world will end through Helter Skeltor, so placing your ideas on a John Lennon song will give you as much authentication as old charlie had.
i never knew that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.If one person is wrong, that means another person is wrong? Nice logic there. Perhaps you'd care to show some of this "basic biblical teachings" you mention, rather than just saying I'm wrong. What you are saying is pure opinion. I'll admit that what I'm saying is my opinion of what the Bible is teaching, but I at least give some examples from the Bible to back it up.Sorry but about all of this, I think this is just freedom extracting the the biblical prophecies out of context + some wishful thinking. Not to burst your bubble but such ideas usually lead to cults, beware the path you tread and look if it is according to the scriptures and the message of the Gospel. I am afraid you are thinking along a line which is against the basic biblical teachings.
Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
Is that "wishful thinking"? I didn't wish for it to be in the Bible. I found it by listening to Christmas songs. Before that, I had no idea it was even in there.Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
1. The global weather patterns we currently have are the result of natural solar and meteorological cycles. "Stopping" them would be like "stopping" day from happening. It doesn't make sense and it isn't within our power anyway.Ant wrote: In fact, I've came to the conclusion that ending Global Warming, ending over use of resources (over population problem), ending poverty, and World Peace, can all be accomplished by creating a new society, long before I discovered that the Bible teaches the same thing. I came to that idea of copying the system of society used by ants, long before I discovered that verse in the Bible about ants.
I don't study the Bible to find excuses for what I do. What I'm doing is perfectly logical to me, with or without the Bible. In fact, when I talk to people about it on other forums, I rarely mention the Bible, 'cause I know most of the people who think about this stuff are Atheists. I only speak the Bible in here, to speak your language... as best I can that is. I do learn from the Bible, but I don't seek excuses.
Tony
In money based society, the maximum sustainable population of Earth is around 2 billion or so, probably decreasing with technology. In a moneyless based society, the maximum sustainable population of Earth is around 100 billion or so, increasing with technology. I'm not talking about genocide, I'm talking about change in society.2. "Over-population problem" solutions typically involve genocide. Any politician who seeks to end 'over-population problems' is someone I consider an enemy to anyone who lives.
Money based society is a reward training system, which trains people to be selfish. The more selfish they are, the more money they make. Once that system is gone, people will in time become kind and caring towards each other.4. World peace cannot happen when the heart of almost every person on the planet is bloodthirsty for war and totally focused on self.
I see this same statement over and over with you people. It is like you know in your hearts I'm right, that a new system of society will bring Peace, but you refuse to do anything about it. You don't have to join a commune if you don't believe God wants you to. You could go around promoting the idea, so that when Jesus comes, it'll be a little more possible to do.Also, in response to your comment about peace, you realize that it is Christ that will bring peace in Luke, right? And it didn't happen the first time He came, as a man. Christ has not judged the nations yet, or do you think He has?
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Here Jesus is saying there'll be no signs, and I'd have to say Jesus coming down from the sky would be a big obvious sign. So how are you going to tell this Jesus when he comes? If you don't follow anyone who is setting up a new society as Jesus will do unless that person is identified as Jesus, and you have no way of identifying a person as Jesus, what will you do? Pray God to save you from the brick walls you built in your mind?Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
TonyMat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Totally fallacious, i doubt i would know any Christians that do not try for peaceful resolutions in any given situation or save a child from a burning building. Matthew 5:9If a house is burning and children inside are crying, do you wait for the fire department? Yet, you wait for Jesus and do nothing.
For someone promoting world peace you seem to be very much on the attack and that my friend is the difference between human efforts and God's.I see this same statement over and over with you people.
Yes, God's efforts can be very vicious in their attacks. Like this one by the Apostle Peter, when they asked everyone to sell what they have and give it to the commune they were starting:For someone promoting world peace you seem to be very much on the attack and that my friend is the difference between human efforts and God's.
TonyAct 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
Act 5:2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
Act 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
Act 5:6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
Act 5:7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
Act 5:8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
Act 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
Act 5:10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
Christians have done more to promote peace and alleviate suffering in the last century than any other religion I know. They are the driving force behind so many charities and missions to bring help to the poor and suffering - in fact nothing even comes close - So forgive me if I laugh at your suggestion that we just do nothing while we wait for Jesus. We are working to bring the kingdom to the world here and now - you have a lot to learn about Christianity if you think that is the case.Ant wrote:In money based society, the maximum sustainable population of Earth is around 2 billion or so, probably decreasing with technology. In a moneyless based society, the maximum sustainable population of Earth is around 100 billion or so, increasing with technology. I'm not talking about genocide, I'm talking about change in society.2. "Over-population problem" solutions typically involve genocide. Any politician who seeks to end 'over-population problems' is someone I consider an enemy to anyone who lives.
Money based society is a reward training system, which trains people to be selfish. The more selfish they are, the more money they make. Once that system is gone, people will in time become kind and caring towards each other.4. World peace cannot happen when the heart of almost every person on the planet is bloodthirsty for war and totally focused on self.
I see this same statement over and over with you people. It is like you know in your hearts I'm right, that a new system of society will bring Peace, but you refuse to do anything about it. You don't have to join a commune if you don't believe God wants you to. You could go around promoting the idea, so that when Jesus comes, it'll be a little more possible to do.Also, in response to your comment about peace, you realize that it is Christ that will bring peace in Luke, right? And it didn't happen the first time He came, as a man. Christ has not judged the nations yet, or do you think He has?
The change is going to be turbulent. Lots of people will die. The number of deaths could easily be reduced, if the people were more open to the idea. If people think highly negative of the idea, as they do now, most of the people on Earth will die. The actions of one person could easily save millions of lives, just by making the idea less negative in the eyes of the people.
You assume everything will happen supernatural. That the same person Jesus will magically come down from the sky, with loads of people watching, and everyone will know it is Jesus. What if that is not the case? Or even worse, what if someone used technology to trick you, with some bad person coming down from the sky?
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.Here Jesus is saying there'll be no signs, and I'd have to say Jesus coming down from the sky would be a big obvious sign. So how are you going to tell this Jesus when he comes? If you don't follow anyone who is setting up a new society as Jesus will do unless that person is identified as Jesus, and you have no way of identifying a person as Jesus, what will you do? Pray God to save you from the brick walls you built in your mind?Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
If a house is burning and children inside are crying, do you wait for the fire department? Yet, you wait for Jesus and do nothing.
TonyMat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
He seems to be assuming that nothing is being done. The Christian movement is already in motion. Has been for hundreds of years. I'm afraid the 'call' is a little late.Silvertusk wrote:Christians have done more to promote peace and alleviate suffering in the last century than any other religion I know. They are the driving force behind so many charities and missions to bring help to the poor and suffering - in fact nothing even comes close - So forgive me if I laugh at your suggestion that we just do nothing while we wait for Jesus. We are working to bring the kingdom to the world here and now - you have a lot to learn about Christianity if you think that is the case.
I don't see your point, they tried to cheat God and were judged accordingly how is that vicious?Yes, God's efforts can be very vicious in their attacks.
Ant wrote: In money based society, the maximum sustainable population of Earth is around 2 billion or so, probably decreasing with technology. In a moneyless based society, the maximum sustainable population of Earth is around 100 billion or so, increasing with technology. I'm not talking about genocide, I'm talking about change in society.
Money based society is a reward training system, which trains people to be selfish. The more selfish they are, the more money they make. Once that system is gone, people will in time become kind and caring towards each other.
Lots of people will die, or else! hmmm – “The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” John 10:10 NKJVAnt wrote: I see this same statement over and over with you people. It is like you know in your hearts I'm right, that a new system of society will bring Peace, but you refuse to do anything about it. You don't have to join a commune if you don't believe God wants you to. You could go around promoting the idea, so that when Jesus comes, it'll be a little more possible to do.
The change is going to be turbulent. Lots of people will die. The number of deaths could easily be reduced, if the people were more open to the idea. If people think highly negative of the idea, as they do now, most of the people on Earth will die. The actions of one person could easily save millions of lives, just by making the idea less negative in the eyes of the people.
You assume everything will happen supernatural. That the same person Jesus will magically come down from the sky, with loads of people watching, and everyone will know it is Jesus. What if that is not the case? Or even worse, what if someone used technology to trick you, with some bad person coming down from the sky?
You will recognize Jesus in his Godly forum when you see him as will everyone else…Ant wrote: Here Jesus is saying there'll be no signs, and I'd have to say Jesus coming down from the sky would be a big obvious sign. So how are you going to tell this Jesus when he comes? If you don't follow anyone who is setting up a new society as Jesus will do unless that person is identified as Jesus, and you have no way of identifying a person as Jesus, what will you do? Pray God to save you from the brick walls you built in your mind?
If a house is burning and children inside are crying, do you wait for the fire department? Yet, you wait for Jesus and do nothing….Tony
We teach…Ant wrote: I see this same statement over and over with you people. It is like you know in your hearts I'm right, that a new system of society will bring Peace, but you refuse to do anything about it. You don't have to join a commune if you don't believe God wants you to. You could go around promoting the idea, so that when Jesus comes, it'll be a little more possible to do.
The change is going to be turbulent. Lots of people will die. The number of deaths could easily be reduced, if the people were more open to the idea. If people think highly negative of the idea, as they do now, most of the people on Earth will die. The actions of one person could easily save millions of lives, just by making the idea less negative in the eyes of the people.
You assume everything will happen supernatural. That the same person Jesus will magically come down from the sky, with loads of people watching, and everyone will know it is Jesus. What if that is not the case? Or even worse, what if someone used technology to trick you, with some bad person coming down from the sky?
There are some christians who try to help the poor, yes, but there are many others who cause serious harm to the poor, and promote the opposite of what Jesus taught. For example it is believed by some that Edmund Walsh, a strongly anti-communist Roman Catholic priest, gave McCarthy the idea of using a anti-communist hatred campaign to gain popularity and get reelected. That hatred campaign likely resulted in the US changing sides in Vietnam and causing the Vietnam War which killed a whole lot of people, and not many people know it, but also ended in nuclear war.He seems to be assuming that nothing is being done. The Christian movement is already in motion. Has been for hundreds of years. I'm afraid the 'call' is a little late.
So does this mean because some "Christians" who are the minority behave bady that all Christians behave the same way, should we also apply this logic to other groups of people?There are some christians who try to help the poor, yes, but there are many others who cause serious harm to the poor, and promote the opposite of what Jesus taught. For example it is believed by some that Edmund Walsh, a strongly anti-communist Roman Catholic priest, gave McCarthy the idea of using a anti-communist hatred campaign to gain popularity and get reelected. That hatred campaign likely resulted in the US changing sides in Vietnam and causing the Vietnam War which killed a whole lot of people, and not many people know it, but also ended in nuclear war.
There's a lot of churches out there spreading hatred. Hatred for communists. Hatred for muslims. Hatred for democrats or republicans. All that hatred is leading to WW3. A few soup kitchens help, but they don't make up for all the hatred taught by other christians.
I don't see hate, i see someone who is limited in their understanding of Christianity and is making huge assumptions about something they know little about.As for those other posts... If I teach love and you see hate, what can I tell you? You see what you want to see. If all you see is hate, the hate is in your own heart. Remove the hate from your heart, and then reread what I wrote.