I find it interesting you spelled Gods in plural. I expect this was a typo as we are all prone to make from time to time and meant to spell God's instead of Gods.
Yep I meant God's.
With UR - there is no theological basis for one to even receive God's gift of Grace and faith thru Jesus Christ so one can rest in that security when, according to standard Universalist dogma, everyone receives eternal salvation, including even Lucifer. The cross of Christ would become insignificant and pointless – why – everyone is predestined to find salvation after they die.
The position has its preterist, and other strains of doctrines that I wouldn't prescribe to. The preaching of the cross and its power is what saves the dead and living. Even those who died in the wilderness were pardon but failed under that covenants requirments to enter the promised land, even Moses was refused entrance.
When God's timing is ripe for them to be reconciled they all will be by His Will, Ezekiel 36:32-33, Jeremiah 31:31, Romans 11:26, Hebrews 8:8 etc...He finds them by the way, not the other way around thats your old man talking BW, better think about Romans 6:6.
If such salvation exist before the foundation of the world – the cross of Christ and his mentioning that only those that believe in John 3:16 will be saved, in essence is rather pointless because all were already saved anyways. Therefore, even the Holy Spirit’s indwelling would have no meaning or purpose either.
God choose before the creation who would be placed where in the kingdom, He knows us before we are born Jeremiah 1:5, All were dead in sin before God reconciled the world 2Cor 5:18-20, 1Cor 15:17-19, so no one was saved until the death, burial, and resurrection.
UR’s and all Universalist camps interpretation of 1 Tim 2:3-6 is skewed and in error. In Matthew 25:46, for example, eternal life with Christ last the same duration as eternal punishment does – forever and ever. God may desire all to be saved but that does not mean all will accept his salvific work. Therefore, Jesus can say in John 3:16. 36 – whosoever believes is saved. This limits believing only to this life, not the hereafter for Matthew 25:46 is true and for John 20:31 as well. Add to this the statements made in John 5:24, John 5:39 40, and Acts 10:43.
I would say your understanding is skewed, and in error concerning the translation forever. Matthew 24:13 was spoken to the circumcision concerning their enduring, overcoming to enter the kingdom at the end of the time of the Gentiles Luke 21:24, The seven Asian synagogues where blind to Pauls gospel 2Tim 1:15, Romans 11:28, Acts 21:27, so I doubt you even see that, and proably think your also part of the circumcision 1Peter 2:9, that remnant saved by grace but rejected by the nation which caused that hope to be cut off Romans 9:27-28.
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I agree the Bible when used to interpret Gods intent, shows that man is blind, naked, and helpless, in bondage to pride and ego Ephesians 2:2-3, John 2:24-25, before God opens their eyes, and ears, they are without hope of ever understanding by their own natural intellect John 12:40, Deut 29:4, 31:16, none of this was a surprise to God. God stoops down and interacts with man on his level, and tells him to do things He already knows they can't! it is all part of His reconciliation plan that was to show mans complete failure in the process, and for the most part still hid from man, and his philosophical based theologies.
Your take on Luke 18:26-27 is without regard to context which refers to those that believe in Christ Sacrifice – the possible way God made for one to become born again is through Believing in Christ work on the cross and the indwelling Holy Spirit’s inner work of transformation. Look at the context of the verses that follow in Luke 18:28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, which state just that. The way made possible, which the context speaks of, is verified by other statements Jesus himself and the Apostles mentioned elsewhere.
The way taught under the law was impossible for any man, the reason He came was to fulfill the laws, also die for all the transgressions of adams sons, Romans 3:23 is true for you, me, and all humanity we are all in the same boat, or lump. Now if we follow your theology or Calvins only certain ones Qualify for that reconciliation by God's choice, or your own ability to believe something God made foolish to man, either way pride and ego will pop to the surface and leaven the gospel of grace. No one is born again in the sense your taking it to mean, we have the downpayment, pledge, seal of the Spirit 2Cor 5:5, Ephesians 1:13-14
Why this is impossible with men – is that all our works are but filthy rags. We cannot save ourselves because of our sinful rebellious state that twist and warps the things of God in such manner seeking to get away with it. UR and all forms of Universalism teaches – one can get away with it. UR and all Universalism dogmas and creeds cannot answer, why Christ came, nor can answer Jesus’ own words concerning eternal Hell for the rebellious.
This is old propaganda, and the same thing was said of Paul because he taught grace, those who rely on performance (you say you don't but I think you do) always use this tatic to try and smear the gospel of grace and Gods free gift of salvation. Jesus never used the word hell, muchless eternal punishment, the fruit of bad translations again.
So Glen, do you know the Gospel of Christ? Have you ever really heard the message? Do you even understand it? There are plenty of fine members of this Forum who can help you with this, if you do not. If you really have an idea of the gospel message, then please explain John 3:13-24, John 5:24, John 5:39 40, John 20:31, Acts 10:43, and Matthew 25:46 for us… From here, many good Christian's reading this can chime in. From what I read of your posts, you seem not to really understand the gospel message.
Your puzzle is answered in Romans 9-11, which is a telling phrase for mans theological puzzles built so high God can't even leap over them.
So BW, do you know the Gospel of the grace of God, and who its first convert was, and its pattern there after? Our do you just claim its all about you, without any discerment concerning the gospel of the circumcision, or the covenant people that gospel was directed at, Isaiah 42:6, Luke 2:32 ? Are you the royal nation, a partaking Gentile blessed by their spiritual things Romans 15:27, and waiting to rejoice with them Romans 15:10, or the One New Man a new creation hidden in the mind of God, with all spiritual blessings in the heavenlies Ephesians 1:3-4, 2:4-8, 3:9, do you even know the difference in the hopes? which is it overcomer enduring to enter the earthly kingdom, or complete in Christ seated in glory?