Canuckster1127 wrote:And, they also commit deliberate frauds in order to maintain their own personal philosophical bias and worldview. And i never said that 'all or most scientists are liars and cheats' . All scientists have the same scientific evidence and many will do unethical things to make it fit their particular apriori-commitment to non-intelligence for causes . If you want, get the book called I Dont Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist which covers the incredible faith required to hold to an atheistic-based worldview..then you too might question why secular Scientists / Darwinists / Naturalists /Materialists hold to what they do .
Which is it Dave? You deny calling "all or most scientists liars and cheats" and then you go on in the next sentence to say that "many will do unethical (like lying and cheating?) to make it fit their particualr apriori-commitment."
That sounds remarkably more like what you're doing here Dave. No doubt, though, it's OK for you because you're right.
Why do you find it necessary to impugn other's integrity and motives in this manner and not just deal with the evidence and facts to promote your case? The methods you use in your addressing of issues speak more about you than they do those you're criticizing.
This is coming from someone who doesn't support many of the things you're disagreeing with. If all I had to go on however, was the methods and manner of your addressing issues, I have to tell you, I wouldn't be impressed and inclined to give you a serious hearing.
I don't know if you saw this from a couple of week's ago, but this is a blog article put up by a friend of mine (online friend) that I've needed to hear in the past when I begin behaving in similar matters. Take a look and see if it describes some things that you might want to self-examine and reconsider.
http://frankviola.org/2012/02/16/beingajerkonline/
Take it or leave it, but be aware, when you behave in this manner, I and other's will feel free to call you on it.
Its a bit of both ; when Evolutionary Scientists state in public or in the books they write that Darwinnian Evolution is based on faith alone because there is no supporting emphirical evidence , THAT is good reason to believe many if not most Darwinnian Evolutionists arent giving the public the real score . Many have resorted to doctoring up their findings to suit their own philosophical bias :
. When Evolutionists themselves speak out against their field, you know its been fallacious all along :
" It is therefore a MATTER OF FAITH on the part of the biologist that
biogenesis (evolution) did occur and he can choose whatever method of
biogenesis happens to suit him personally ; the evidence for what did
happen is not available" --- Evolutionist Prof. G.A. Kerkut of the
University of Southampton. Source : Implications of Evolution. London.
Pergamon Press, 1960, page 150.
" The more one studies paleontology, the more certain one becomes that
evolution is based on FAITH ALONE" -- Evolutionist Prof. T.L. Moor .
Origins ? The Banner of Truth Trust, 1988 page 22.
" We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
story of gradual adaptive change) , all the while really knowing that it
does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge. Darwin on Trial. Regnery Gateway,
1991, page 59.
" The record of reckless speculation of human origins is so astonishing
that it is legitimate to ask whether much science is yet to be found in
this field at all" -- Evolutionist Dr. Solly Zuckerman. Darwin on
Trial. 1991. page 82.
From an article in Science Digest Special---
" Scientists who utterly reject Evolution may be one of our fastest
growing controversial minorities ... Many of the scientists supporting
this posiiton hold impressive credentials in science" . -- Educators
Against Darwin. winter 1979, page 94
" I believe that one day the Darwinnian myth will be ranked the
greatest deciet in the history of science "--- Prof. Soren Lovtrup,
Embriologist. Darwinism : The Refutation of a Myth. 1987. page 422.
" The more i examine the Universe and the details of its architecture,
the more evidence i find that the Universe in some sense must have known
we were coming"--- Prof. Freeman Dyson, Physicist from Princeton Univ.
'Disturbing the Universe' . 1979. page 250.
" The more man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events, the
firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side of
this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature (than a Creator)"
-- Albert Einstein. His LIfe and Times. page 286.
And finally, the bottom line from an "agnostic" Astronomer (and my
favorite) ----
" For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason,
the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of
ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak and as he pulls
himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of Theologians who
have been sitting there for centuries reading Genesis 1:1 : In the
Beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth" --- agnostic Prof. Robert
Jastrow founder of Nasa's Goddard Institute. His book, 'God and the
Astronomers. page 116.