Evidence for God from Science

Reactionary wrote:

RickD wrote:Maybe the neanderthals were the native people of Croatia, and the white European settlers massacred them all, just like they tried to do with the Native Americans, and Australian Aborigines.

Rick, a little bit more respect for my peoples, please! We never massacred, colonized or enslaved anyone. In fact, we didn't know what racism was until we heard about it from the West.

Reactionary, teh white European and his descendants, is teh devilz.

Maybe these are what the people looked like, before Noahs Flood.

Danieltwotwenty wrote:Posted this in the jokes section a while back, thought it might be appropriate here

I want to use that meme! Is there any way someone could send this file to me, or some place I could find to download it?

I see so many memes from non-Christians, atheists, and evolutions mocking the Christian faith. We need more Christian memes, especially humorous ones like this! Let the creativity flow!

sylvanicdawn wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:Posted this in the jokes section a while back, thought it might be appropriate here

I want to use that meme! Is there any way someone could send this file to me, or some place I could find to download it?

I see so many memes from non-Christians, atheists, and evolutions mocking the Christian faith. We need more Christian memes, especially humorous ones like this! Let the creativity flow!

This is the link to the meme //i.imgur.com/dJNLc.jpg

Ivellious,

You have a strange understanding of closely related. Many of those were not the same species and as far as the lessr apes:

two of the most distant genera of lesser apes

We are not related to chimps.

I never said they had to be the same species...but they were all the same class of animal. It was a cat with a cat, a dog with a dog, a pig with a pig, and so on...How are those examples not closely related? A lesser ape with a lesser ape follows in that same vein.

"We are not related to chimps."

Well, if we are ok with saying that cats are related and dogs are related and so on...According to how scientists have put together the phylogenetic tree for apes, the Great Apes are both the descendants of chimpanzees and of humans, albeit via different tree branches, so to speak. We are essentially distantly related cousins with a common ancestor in the Great Apes. It's essentially the same type of relationship between different varieties of cats or dogs. At some point in history, two separate species diverged from the apes, one becoming the "homo" family and the other chimpanzees.

What is the evidence to the contrary, other than a presupposition of humans not being related to anything?

Ivellious wrote:Gman, quick question...What evidence are you saying says we aren't related to neanderthals?

Some of that is here.. http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/ ... ponse.html For the most part it is speculation.. And even if it were true, G-d could have still used the process of evolution.

Perhaps the better question here is how does the existence of neanderthals negate the existence of the G-d of the Bible? It never could...

Ummmmm...

For the record, Gman, I am not at all opposed to the idea that God might have used evolution as a means to bring about life as it is on Earth, no more opposed to the idea that God used the laws of physics to keep things from flying out of our atmosphere. Also, neanderthals aren't really a piece of evidence that people use against God, to my knowledge. I think it's more that religious people take neanderthals and other human-like organisms as some kind of offense to creationism.

I think it's more that religious people take neanderthals and other human-like organisms as some kind of offense to creationism.

I think people take offence at other people who try to present it as solid fact.

Ivellious wrote:Ummmmm...

For the record, Gman, I am not at all opposed to the idea that God might have used evolution as a means to bring about life as it is on Earth, no more opposed to the idea that God used the laws of physics to keep things from flying out of our atmosphere. Also, neanderthals aren't really a piece of evidence that people use against God, to my knowledge. I think it's more that religious people take neanderthals and other human-like organisms as some kind of offense to creationism.

Right... So what is it with you not accepting Christianity if "science" can't answer all your questions? Would you reject G-d on a so called scientific hunch?

I don't reject God, I have chosen to reject the religious institution of Christianity. I am not an atheist, I just choose not to affiliate myself with any branch of any religion. There are numerous reasons for this, not one of which is based on science. I have chosen to have my own relationship with God, because I believe that the pomp and circumstance and material aspects of religion are not what spirituality should be about, and I do not feel that I need them to have a healthy, open relationship with whatever higher power might be out there.

There's no "pomp" where I go, just some good people who help each other out and try to live as good a life as possible.
Of course we do believe in the revelation of Christ though.

dayage wrote: Some evidence would be that their DNA is about as different from ours as a chimps, they have no evidence of clothing, no art, no music and their tools were different than human's.

Any reference for the DNA claim?

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/gen ... anderthals

Researchers compared the Neanderthal to modern human and chimpanzee sequences. Most human sequences differ from each other by on average 8.0 substitutions, while the human and chimpanzee sequences differ by about 55.0 substitutions. The Neanderthal and modern human sequences differed by approximately 27.2 substitutions.

Using this mtDNA information, the last common ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans dates to approximately 550,000 to 690,000 years ago, which is about four times older than the modern human mtDNA pool.

http://humanorigins.si.edu/divergence-h ... n-ancestor

Divergence of human and chimpanzee lineages (from last common ancestor)

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Fossil and genetic evidence tells us that the last common ancestor of humans and living apes lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. We do not yet have its remains.

That's a pretty big difference.

I'm not saying church is always a bad thing, in fact in most small circumstances it's more a good social support group than materialistic. I just don't feel like it is necessary to have a church, a clearly identified religious preference, or a list of traditions and protocols to prove the validity of my spirituality.

Ivellious wrote:I don't reject God, I have chosen to reject the religious institution of Christianity.

And you have absolutely no reason to reject Christianity.. You have shown nor proven nothing against it....

Ivellious wrote:I am not an atheist, I just choose not to affiliate myself with any branch of any religion.

Then you yourself are your own religious institution..

Ivellious wrote:There are numerous reasons for this, not one of which is based on science. I have chosen to have my own relationship with God, because I believe that the pomp and circumstance and material aspects of religion are not what spirituality should be about, and I do not feel that I need them to have a healthy, open relationship with whatever higher power might be out there.

Well, if you feel you are so above Christ, why don't you share your secret god with us?