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Re: Is God a material thing?

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:52 pm
by KBCid
RickD wrote:Are you a Mormon?
lol no. at this point in life I am closest to weak agnostic. Mormons believe they will become God. I would assert that one cannot become God, However, one can become like God in the ways he wants us to;

Ephesians 4:24 You were also taught to become a new person created to be like God, truly righteous and holy.
Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
1 Peter 2:21 For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps

for me this reads quite elegantly that we should follow the example provided by Christ so that we too can share in his sonship;

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God...

I simply read the bible and relate what my understanding is Christ and the prophets all say that we can become sons of God just as Christ is his son;

Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

I have no desire to be God the father but I would like to be as a son reflecting his father in all things.

Mormonism to me appears to have the same goal as satan does which is not just to be like the most high but to actually be the most high over their own creations.

I am quite open to hear other POV's or logic and reason that would invalidate my understanding

Re: Is God a material thing?

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:59 pm
by RickD
Ok. I'm just trying to get an idea where you're coming from. When you were talking about "gods", it sounded mormonesque. If that's a word.

Re: Is God a material thing?

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:16 pm
by KBCid
RickD wrote:Ok. I'm just trying to get an idea where you're coming from. When you were talking about "gods", it sounded mormonesque. If that's a word.
I entirely understand. Officially I am a weak agnostic because I accept no beliefs without evidence. As I read the biblical account I am finding evidence that backs my understanding as an intelligent design advocate that the biblical God is the designer responsible for life.

I have no desire to be any more than I was "created" for. I owe my existence to an intelligent designer who's very creative nature I express as I mechanically engineer things every day. Imagine how it might be to pass the test and be able to commune and learn how to do even greater things from our Father the creator.

Isa 64:4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

RickD I invite you to review what I have written and give me some honest feedback as to where my understanding may be in error. It may be quite possible that a veil is over my eyes and that I am wrongly dividing Gods word, but I have no intent to do so. I do know that so far the people on this forum have been respectfull and intelligent in discussion on the various topics I have been involved in. This is not normal in most online forums. Hate and discontent has been the usual fair from all the places I have been other than here. So it is a bit exciting to actually make honest exchanges with others.

Re: Is God a material thing?

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:59 am
by Graceismine
Frogsterking wrote:I've always thought based on my understanding of the Bible that God is an immaterial bodiless mind, and the passages in which he appears are physical manifestations or refer to his spiritual presence. But I'm finding there are not a lot of Bible verses which support my previous idea of God as an immaterial mind. Specifically, the passages in which he appears to Moses indicate to me that he has a body. Thoughts?
God is not a "thing, He is a person with a personality.
"Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God" (Matt.5:8).

"His (God's) servants shall serve him: and they shall see his face; and his name (God's name - Rev.3:12) shall be in their foreheads" (Rev.22:3,4).