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Re: Truth matters.

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Danieltwotwenty wrote:This quote is from Wikipedia
Trevor-Roper denied any dishonest motivation, explaining that he had been given certain assurances as to how the diaries had come into the possession of their "discoverer" and that these assurances had been wrong, prompting the satirical magazine Private Eye to nickname him Hugh Very-Ropey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Trevor-Roper

Am I missunderstanding the article or is it that all the letters are fake or at least the ones Roper received to translate as the article does not mention anything about a poor translation at all.

I am going to keep digging on this one.

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I am only familiar with how he was dishonest about the translation in Hitlers table talk, the Hitler diaries is a completely different collection as I understand and not something I have studied at all. I would not doubt it however seeing as he had zero professional consideration with Hitlers table talk, once a professional hack........
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CandleInTheDark wrote:
Danieltwotwenty wrote:This quote is from Wikipedia
Trevor-Roper denied any dishonest motivation, explaining that he had been given certain assurances as to how the diaries had come into the possession of their "discoverer" and that these assurances had been wrong, prompting the satirical magazine Private Eye to nickname him Hugh Very-Ropey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Trevor-Roper

Am I missunderstanding the article or is it that all the letters are fake or at least the ones Roper received to translate as the article does not mention anything about a poor translation at all.

I am going to keep digging on this one.

Dan

I am only familiar with how he was dishonest about the translation in Hitlers table talk, the Hitler diaries is a completely different collection as I understand and not something I have studied at all. I would not doubt it however seeing as he had zero professional consideration with Hitlers table talk, once a professional hack........

He is still highly regarded as a historian, just because someone makes one monumental mistake does not mean everything thing he has done over the years is now bunk.

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Danieltwotwenty wrote:
I agree 100% there is absolutely no need for a missrepresentation to solidify a case against Hitler being a Christian, anyone with half a brain could work out that he was not inline with the teachings of Christ.
What are you saying Daniel? Hitler's "Final Solution" isn't biblical? y:O2
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RickD wrote:Danieltwotwenty wrote:
I agree 100% there is absolutely no need for a missrepresentation to solidify a case against Hitler being a Christian, anyone with half a brain could work out that he was not inline with the teachings of Christ.
What are you saying Daniel? Hitler's "Final Solution" isn't biblical? y:O2
Don't mock it, there are some who would say if Hitler believed at some point then went on to commit all these atrocities, he is saved nonetheless.
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.

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Byblos wrote:
RickD wrote:Danieltwotwenty wrote:
I agree 100% there is absolutely no need for a missrepresentation to solidify a case against Hitler being a Christian, anyone with half a brain could work out that he was not inline with the teachings of Christ.
What are you saying Daniel? Hitler's "Final Solution" isn't biblical? y:O2
Don't mock it, there are some who would say if Hitler believed at some point then went on to commit all these atrocities, he is saved nonetheless.
Can you know Christ and commit these acts?


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Byblos wrote:
RickD wrote:Danieltwotwenty wrote:
I agree 100% there is absolutely no need for a missrepresentation to solidify a case against Hitler being a Christian, anyone with half a brain could work out that he was not inline with the teachings of Christ.
What are you saying Daniel? Hitler's "Final Solution" isn't biblical? y:O2
Don't mock it, there are some who would say if Hitler believed at some point then went on to commit all these atrocities, he is saved nonetheless.
I guess that would be true...as long as he was baptized in water. :shijacked:
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