Evidence for God from Science

B. W. wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

B. W. wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

B. W. wrote:Death comes to all - you cannot stop it...

...it will catch up to us all

Denying it does not change this fact

Absolute Reality

Death is but a change from corporeal reality to spiritual reality, from matter into energy.

So life is a reality?

Our reality is as real as we perceive it to be.

In short, reality is as real as it needs to be at any given point in time.

Do we exist?

Do you exist?

Why?
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We are as real to ourselves as we need to be to ourselves.
Do we exist?
In the reality that we exist, we exist, yes.

PaulSacramento wrote:We are as real to ourselves as we need to be to ourselves.

Do we exist?

In the reality that we exist, we exist, yes.

Absolute Reality...
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B. W. wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:We are as real to ourselves as we need to be to ourselves.

Do we exist?

In the reality that we exist, we exist, yes.

Absolute Reality...
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Subjective reality I guess or "close enough to absolute reality".
I mean, our bodies don't know the difference from "created reality" ( dream) or "real" reality because it is dependent on the mind to "dictate" what is real.
Any reality we have/live in is based on our perception.

PaulSacramento wrote:

B. W. wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:We are as real to ourselves as we need to be to ourselves.

Do we exist?

In the reality that we exist, we exist, yes.

Absolute Reality...
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Subjective reality I guess or "close enough to absolute reality".
I mean, our bodies don't know the difference from "created reality" ( dream) or "real" reality because it is dependent on the mind to "dictate" what is real.
Any reality we have/live in is based on our perception.

If you dreamed a dream - then one must exist -

Therefore life is an Absolute Reality as is death...
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B. W. wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

B. W. wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:We are as real to ourselves as we need to be to ourselves.

Do we exist?

In the reality that we exist, we exist, yes.

Absolute Reality...
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Subjective reality I guess or "close enough to absolute reality".
I mean, our bodies don't know the difference from "created reality" ( dream) or "real" reality because it is dependent on the mind to "dictate" what is real.
Any reality we have/live in is based on our perception.

If you dreamed a dream - then one must exist -

Therefore life is an Absolute Reality as is death...
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And that absolute reality is subjective to our perception of what reality is.

PaulSacramento wrote:

B. W. wrote:...If you dreamed a dream - then one must exist -

Therefore life is an Absolute Reality as is death...

And that absolute reality is subjective to our perception of what reality is.

Even so, it cannot deny Absolute Reality's existence
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B. W. wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

B. W. wrote:...If you dreamed a dream - then one must exist -

Therefore life is an Absolute Reality as is death...

And that absolute reality is subjective to our perception of what reality is.

Even so, it cannot deny Absolute Reality's existence
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It can't deny what is PERCEIVED to be absolute reality.
Until another reality can be perceived of course.

PaulSacramento wrote:

B. W. wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

B. W. wrote:...If you dreamed a dream - then one must exist -

Therefore life is an Absolute Reality as is death...

And that absolute reality is subjective to our perception of what reality is.

Even so, it cannot deny Absolute Reality's existence
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It can't deny what is PERCEIVED to be absolute reality.
Until another reality can be perceived of course.

Absolute Reality then
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B. W. wrote:Question:

Does Absolute Reality Exist ?
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Yes, I just found it

It's over here. My perception is that it's a bit underwhelming truth be told.

Proinsias wrote:

B. W. wrote:Question:

Does Absolute Reality Exist ?
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Yes, I just found it

It's over here. My perception is that it's a bit underwhelming truth be told.

Leave it to you, pros...

Since we can laugh and exercise humor - we must be alive!

Is that part of the Absolute Reality of Life?

(not the song by a group -- Absolute Reality but rather Life and Death's Absolute Reality)
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Depends on what you mean by absolute reality. I think it's a nice idea but I'm most familiar with in terms of Vedic thought, as Brahman or the divine. The underlying reality of which the dance of life and death is merely a reflection, likened to ripples on a reflection of the moon on water for the sake of analogy. The contrast would be Maya/Brahman, reality/absolute reality.

You seem to have a different angle on it, using it to reinforce what you view as reality. I can't really see much of a distinction between what you view as reality and what you term 'absolute reality'. One is stating you really are alive and you really are going to die, the other is stating that you are absolutely alive and you are absolutely going to die. Reality is that you are you are right, absolute reality is that you are absolutely right.

Proinsias wrote:Depends on what you mean by absolute reality. I think it's a nice idea but I'm most familiar with in terms of Vedic thought, as Brahman or the divine. The underlying reality of which the dance of life and death is merely a reflection, likened to ripples on a reflection of the moon on water for the sake of analogy. The contrast would be Maya/Brahman, reality/absolute reality.

You seem to have a different angle on it, using it to reinforce what you view as reality. I can't really see much of a distinction between what you view as reality and what you term 'absolute reality'. One is stating you really are alive and you really are going to die, the other is stating that you are absolutely alive and you are absolutely going to die. Reality is that you are you are right, absolute reality is that you are absolutely right.

Are the founders dead?

As for the point of this exercise is purely Philosophic...
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The avatars of Vishnu get much of the credit for the foundations. I've not heard any word on the death of Vishnu. The fate of the avatars I'm a little rusty on, I don't think Rama died but Krishna was a more recent avatar who's physical body was burned after being shot.

Are the founders dead is also a little awkward in a religion centred around samsara. Is Jesus, the founder of Christianity, dead?

For a philosophical exercise it might be handy to define the difference you see between 'reality' and 'absolute reality'. I've given mine, which is also the first google hit for absolute reality and termed 'absolute philosophy' on that hit on so I don't think I'm alone.

Proinsias wrote:The avatars of Vishnu get much of the credit for the foundations. I've not heard any word on the death of Vishnu. The fate of the avatars I'm a little rusty on, I don't think Rama died but Krishna was a more recent avatar who's physical body was burned after being shot.

Are the founders dead is also a little awkward in a religion centred around samsara. Is Jesus, the founder of Christianity, dead?

For a philosophical exercise it might be handy to define the difference you see between 'reality' and 'absolute reality'. I've given mine, which is also the first google hit for absolute reality and termed 'absolute philosophy' on that hit on so I don't think I'm alone.

Here is a better idea to begin with to help define terms a bit for you Pros' - all just philosophic

Definition of ABSOLUTE REALITY

1 ultimate reality as it is in itself unaffected by the perception or knowledge of any finite being

2 Scholasticism: reality in relation to the divine mind

From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... %20reality

...Because consciousness identifies existents, there can be no consciousness without something existing to perceive. Nothing can have an identity (to be identified) without existing. The fact that something is identified necessarily implies its existence which necessarily implies existence in general. Thus there is no consciousness without existence.

From: http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/M ... olute.html

Thanks B.W

Definition number one: Reality I as know it is profoundly influenced by the knowledge of finite beings. I can't see out the window from where I'm sitting and thus everything around me appears to be related to the knowledge of finite beings, from the keyboard I'm typing on to the to the elevated floor the desk is sitting on, to the walls which block my perception of the stars.

Definition number two: reality in relation to the divine mind, can't really argue with that. Im all for exploring reality in relation to the divine.

Thanks for the Francis Bacon link, that's what I was looking for. If I identify myself then I must exist is a bit of a logical loophole for me.