Danieltwotwenty wrote:
Abraham pleads with God to spare Sodom if there was but one rightoues man who lives there, God enacted justice on Sodom because there was not even one rightous man in the whole city.
Here is where Abraham pleads for Sodom.
Genesis 18:16
16 When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. 17 Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him.[c] 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.”
20 Then the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”
22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord.[d] 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare[e] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
26 The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”
27 Then Abraham spoke up again: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?”
“If I find forty-five there,” he said, “I will not destroy it.”
29 Once again he spoke to him, “What if only forty are found there?”
He said, “For the sake of forty, I will not do it.”
30 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?”
He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
31 Abraham said, “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?”
He said, “For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it.”
32 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?”
He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.”
33 When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.
God's judgement was just on the people of Sodom, as is made clear from the texts.
Abraham was about to kill his child, a divine being the created the entire Universe did that why? A yes, a test.
"For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it." But, ah, but yet he wiped out all life on Earth?
Look at Uganda today, if you're gay, you will most likely be hanged. This is enforced by religion.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41292753/ns ... t-slaying/
I suppose if God say's it's ok to burn witches, I suppose it's Just because he commands it.
Ignorance is the world's worst enemy.
Danieltwotwenty wrote:
When you say the Christian religion hasn't been exactly nice, I think you mean to say the people who follow it haven't been exactly nice. Does this mean that Christian fundementals are wrong, no it doesn't it just proves that humans are fallible and sinful.
Of Course people without religion can do horrible things, they are doing it because they are bad people, they aren't good people using religion as excuse to do bad things in the name of a higher power.
People do horrible things in the name of RELIGION, not just the Christian religion, many religions have ridiculous rules that allow normally good people to do horrible things because they think they are doing it for their GOD.
Danieltwotwenty wrote:
It only seems that way to you because of your presuppositions, it doesn't seem that way to me at all.
God is omnipresent and omniscient correct? Get back to me with those definitions.
Danieltwotwenty wrote:If God just removed the people, poof and they were gone, you would just turn around and say that "It's so ridiculous, I can't believe it's even considered seriously by grown adults."
If people want "poof" that would be a little more believable and fair to the thousands if not millions of unborn children that didn't even have a chance at life.
What's more likely? An exaggerated story, or genocide? I'm happy you are defending genocide. (sarcasm)
Danieltwotwenty wrote:
ALL world views are religious, atheism may be subject to the individual but that does not stop it from having religious aspects, just as FL has pointed out to you that your world view can be just as dangerous as any organised religious one. People do evil stuff for all sorts of reasons, religion has been used as an excuse, so has atheism, it's almost like we have a fallen sin nature that is in need of a saviour.
Dan
All world views are religious? Apparently you haven't read the statistics lately.
The majority of the most educated are Agnostic or Atheist, there is a reason for that.
A good majority of Scientists fall into the secular category, trying to improve the human race.
Now you could reply with the invention of the atom bomb but that was politically motivated.
Instead of getting chemo pray to him, if you get the chicken pox, pray, if you get a simple infection when cutting veggies, pray. Do not rely on Science, do not see a doctor.. Lets see how well you do.
Bad people will be bad people, it takes religion for good people to do bad things.
-Jordan
if God allowed this behaviour to continue, but you seem to think that this behaviour was not deserving of ANY punishment. 
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