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Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:11 pm
by Proinsias
I think it's a step in the right direction. From my UK perspective some of the mainstream US media is verging on comedy in regards to Islamophobia. I've not checked the numbers but I suspect there's also a few muslims in the US and streaming Al Jazerra is a pain, it works much better on the TV.

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:15 pm
by Stygian
No...there must be something else. Your reaction is way overboard, far in excess of what would be a reasonable rebuttal to my OP. You seem very emotional. Posting when angry is never a good idea.

How about telling us why you think it is good for Al-jazeera to be the new owner of CurrentTV?
I have no real opinion about Al-Jazeera being with CurrentTV, but the unfairness of your judgements against Al-Jazeera is what is bothering me. But what on Earth makes you imagine that I'm sitting here, slamming my keyboard in anger? even then, what point are you trying to make? I'd wager you're just trying to 'get to me' because you've nothing really to say.

You seem angrier than me, honestly. I've yet to hear a good point from anybody, by the way. I'll just wait here, I guess.

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:25 pm
by Furstentum Liechtenstein
Proinsias wrote:I think it's a step in the right direction. From my UK perspective some of the mainstream US media is verging on comedy in regards to Islamophobia. I've not checked the numbers but I suspect there's also a few muslims in the US and streaming Al Jazerra is a pain, it works much better on the TV.
I'm closer to US media outlets than you are and I don't see any ''widespread'' Islamophobia. Nor do I see or hear any when I'm in the USA, which is often. I don't doubt that you get the impression that there is a lot of Islamophobia in US media, but that isn't the case. As Stygian pointed out, Americans are more concerned with Kim Kardashian's new dress...

In any case, xenophobia in any form isn't my point; these are the points I've been making:

1. Al-jazeera is an anti-West/-America/-Israel organization which has long been banned in the USA and which has managed to circumvent this by buying an established US network.
2. Al-jazeera/English speaks in a Western-friendly manner and Al-jazeera/Arabic is anti-Western-values and gives a voice to those who promote jihad in its most radical forms.

www.palwatch.org is an organization that documents Arab double-speak (one message for the West, the opposite message for the Muslim world.)

By chance, I heard this U.S. radio pastor talking about the CurrentTV story today. You can listen to his thoughts here:

www.fortressoffaith.org

FL y~o)

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:16 pm
by RickD
In defense of Al Gore, I can understand why he did this. He didn't want to sell to Glenn Beck because Beck's religious and political beliefs are too different than his own. Beck is a narrow minded, conservative. Whereas Islam is a very open and tolerant religion. Islam wants all people to live together in peace. True Islam is very tolerant of other beliefs. For example, look at everywhere that Muslims have gone. They seem to adapt very well to the culture they're joining. Kudos to Al Gore for choosing a medium(Al-jazeera) that is honest, open, tolerant, and completely anti-propaganda. Whatever could go wrong when Islam, the religion of peace, takes control of a television station?

You narrow-minded, bigoted Christians should be ashamed of yourselves. :shakehead:

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:20 pm
by Gman
RickD wrote:In defense of Al Gore, I can understand why he did this. He didn't want to sell to Glenn Beck because Beck's religious and political beliefs are to different than his own. Beck is a narrow minded, conservative. Whereas Islam is a very open and tolerant religion. Islam wants all people to live together in peace. True Islam is very tolerant of other beliefs. For example, look at everywhere that Muslims have gone. They seem to adapt very well to the culture they're joining. Kudos to Al Gore for choosing a medium(Al-jazeera) that is honest, open, tolerant, and completely anti-propaganda. What ever could go wrong when Islam, the religion of peace, takes control of a television station?

You narrow-minded, bigoted Christians should be ashamed of yourselves. :shakehead:
Rick... You need to buy a few copies of the Koran and read and study it yourself.. It is not a peaceful religion and is intolerant of other religions. The Muslim people have been greatly hurt by it's teachings. Women are greatly oppressed. It would do well for people not to follow it... But since we claim we are an open society.. No one cares anymore... Anything you say against it is automatically considered hate speech.

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:21 pm
by RickD
I guess my intended sarcasm was lost on you Gman. :shock:

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:20 pm
by Gman
RickD wrote:I guess my intended sarcasm was lost on you Gman. :shock:
That is what is hard about reading you sometimes Rick... y#-o

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:27 am
by neo-x
We aren't going to just sit blindly and hug everyone that seeks to destroy the United States or Canada or Israel for that matter.
just by the way...no one is trying to destroy Canada. Canada has not bombed or warred with anyone in the last century. America is obvious enough, they have been warring arounf teh world for near a century now. The more they are engaged in world politics, the more enemies they have. You know history doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes pretty well. Right now America is fueling future anti-west terrorism head on, and you know what they say, what goes around...

You have already seen it happened when America created the Taliban. Don't be surprised when you see a new generation of younger militants trying to blow up places. I am not not saying that terrorism is now because of America solely, but American wars act as a big trigger of it.

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:45 am
by RickD
Gman wrote:
RickD wrote:I guess my intended sarcasm was lost on you Gman. :shock:
That is what is hard about reading you sometimes Rick... y#-o
Sorry G. I thought it was pretty obvious. Even for me. You must not be as perceptive in your old age. ;)

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:51 am
by PaulSacramento
Free speech either is or isn't.
And all the good and bad that comes with it.

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:23 am
by RickD
PaulSacramento wrote:Free speech either is or isn't.
And all the good and bad that comes with it.
I don't think FL has an issue with free speech. I think his issue was with what he sees as Gore's poor judgement.

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:24 am
by PaulSacramento
RickD wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Free speech either is or isn't.
And all the good and bad that comes with it.
I don't think FL has an issue with free speech. I think his issue was with what he sees as Gore's poor judgement.
AL Gore? Poor Judgment?
Surely you jest !!

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:35 am
by RickD
PaulSacramento wrote:
RickD wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Free speech either is or isn't.
And all the good and bad that comes with it.
I don't think FL has an issue with free speech. I think his issue was with what he sees as Gore's poor judgement.
AL Gore? Poor Judgment?
Surely you jest !!
Paul, how could you? I never, repeat, never jest! y:o)

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:40 am
by Canuckster1127
Speaking as one who lived in the US, I see regular evidence of anti-Arab, anti-Islamic prejudice. I recognize the extreme factions and the danger represented from that direction. Lumping them all together culturally and religiously isn't a valid approach. It's an easy one and there's plenty of people willing to do it and defend it, however.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=1700599

Re: Shame on Al Gore

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:22 am
by RickD
Canuckster1127 wrote:Speaking as one who lived in the US, I see regular evidence of anti-Arab, anti-Islamic prejudice. I recognize the extreme factions and the danger represented from that direction. Lumping them all together culturally and religiously isn't a valid approach. It's an easy one and there's plenty of people willing to do it and defend it, however.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=1700599
Bart, in the light of history, don't you think anti-Islamic prejudice is understandable? Look at 9/11. Of all the people who attacked the U. S. that day, how many were radical Muslims, as opposed to radicals from another religion? Look at the lack of freedom and hypocrisy in Muslim countries under Sharia law. I think from my perspective, I see more of a healthy caution of Islam. Not at all, an anti-Arab prejudice. Where I live, there are plenty of backwoods rednecks who are prejudiced against pretty much everyone different. But overall, I really don't hear anything from day to day, in a derogatory tone against Muslims in general. maybe that's because I stopped watching FOX NEWS. :pound: