Evidence for God from Science

RickD wrote:So, in other words, if a pit bull attacks, it is much more likely to inflict serious harm.

Of course. Pitbulls are a powerful breed and if they attack, it is bad news for all around. What PerciFlage and I are saying is that pitbulls are not inherently vicious. It just so happens that at this moment in time, pitbulls are usually adopted by people who are...marginal, troubled, or - to use a popular expression - socially dysfunctional. Bloodhounds, German sheppards, rottweilers, boxers and dobermans have all been popular among the marginal and in their day, people considered them vicious as well. The human is the problem!

One last thing: I once had a tenant with the meanest Shi Tzu imaginable. That little SOB would growl and lunge at me everytime I was around him. He bit me several times. His owner was a crazy lady who was just as hateful as her pet.

PerciFlage wrote:I think owners of dogs with the potential to do more damage need to be mindful of that fact, and take extra steps to make sure their dog is socialised and well trained. As I mentioned before, I don't think breed-specific laws are an effective way to tackle the number and ferocity of dog attacks, because there is always another breed for irresponsible owners to bestow their favour upon.
Legislation needs to focus on owners and breeders if it is to make a truly meaningful difference. There's a crude comparison to be drawn with road safety laws here - you're more likely to die if you get hit by a truck than a small car, but bad drivers are legislated against more than vehicle size.

Exactly! The human master is the problem, not the breed of dog.

FL

FL wrote:
One last thing: I once had a tenant with the meanest Shi Tzu imaginable. That little SOB would growl and lunge at me everytime I was around him. He bit me several times.

They say that dogs are a good judge of character. Case in point.

I don't think I would ever own a bull breed, which is a shame because my experience with dogs of those breeds has been entirely positive. I've found them placid, well-tempered and extremely affectionate - they actually seem like unusually pleasant little blighters, though this could be more in comparison to their popular image more than to other breeds.

My own dog is a total mongrel of unknown heritage (he's an adopted stray in the feral sense - we think he was born to stray/feral dogs and never had a home with people until we picked him up) who is small and very non-threatening in appearance and temperament. Even with all those things going for him, I still see some people when out for walks who are obviously aghast at the very concept of a dog walking off-lead. I can't imagine the looks I'd get if I had a dog of a breed with a reputation for meanness.

Perci wrote:
I don't think I would ever own a bull breed

I actually owned a mixed breed(hybrid)bull dog before. Part bull dog and part Shih Tzu. He was a Bull Shih T.

PerciFlage wrote:I don't think I would ever own a bull breed

For Heaven's sake, man, what has got into you? I wouldn't want to own a bull either. I live in an apartment...where would I put my pet bull???

FL

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:

PerciFlage wrote:I don't think I would ever own a bull breed

For Heaven's sake, man, what has got into you? I wouldn't want to own a bull either. I live in an apartment...where would I put my pet bull???

FL

That's true, FL. And, isn't your apartment actually a china shop with red drapes? Olé!!!!

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:

PerciFlage wrote:I don't think I would ever own a bull breed

For Heaven's sake, man, what has got into you? I wouldn't want to own a bull either. I live in an apartment...where would I put my pet bull???

FL

Well take heart, at least in Canada the Govt will provide you with an actually free shovel to go along with all the bull.

In the USA the Govt will, by fiat, pass a 20,000 page Bill that makes us purchase a 25.00 dollar shovel for 225.00 dollars for all the Bull!
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B. W. wrote:

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:

PerciFlage wrote:I don't think I would ever own a bull breed

For Heaven's sake, man, what has got into you? I wouldn't want to own a bull either. I live in an apartment...where would I put my pet bull???

FL

Well take heart, at least in Canada the Govt will provide you with an actually free shovel to go along with all the bull.

In the USA the Govt will, by fiat, pass a 20,000 page Bill that makes us purchase a 25.00 dollar shovel for 225.00 dollars for all the Bull!
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B. W., is someone a little frustrated with the goings on in Washington?

RickD wrote:

ultimate777 wrote:Say I decide to breed pit bulls?
I have a premonition I utterly believe in a pit bull I breed
will tear apart some small children I will have, in part due to their carelessness.
If my premonition comes true are the children responsible?
If not, who is?

Lemme get this straight...if a pit bull you own, tears apart small children, you blame the children?
If you breed a pitbull, and you have small children, you my friend are an idiot. If I had a dollar for every time I heard the phrase, "I don't know why the pitbull mauled my baby, I never had a problem before"...

So, not the children, not the dog. You would be responsible. No reason to pick the "shark" of dog breeds if you have children.
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I just reread your post, and it looks like you could be setting up the responder in a trap.
Please tell me you aren't putting the pitbull breeder in God's place, and saying that God is at fault because people sin.

Rick, I was stunned by the vehemence of your reply, so now that I have had time to reckover
I will try again to reply to your reply.
IMHO if you were going to say " it looks like you could be setting up the responder in a trap.
Please tell me you aren't putting the pitbull breeder in God's place, and saying that God is at fault because
people sin," you would have been better advised to leave out entirely,

""Say I decide to breed pit bulls?
I have a premonition I utterly believe in a pit bull I breed
will tear apart some small children I will have, in part due to their carelessness.
If my premonition comes true are the children responsible?
If not, who is?

Lemme get this straight...if a pit bull you own, tears apart small children, you blame the children?
If you breed a pitbull, and you have small children, you my friend are an idiot. If I had a dollar for every time I heard
the phrase, "I don't know why the pitbull mauled my baby, I never had a problem before"...

So, not the children, not the dog. You would be responsible. No reason to pick the "shark" of dog breeds if you have children."

I was trying to make something similar to a parable.
The breeder is God, the pit bull is Satan, or what became Satan if nitpickers want to come out
the premonition is God's certain knowledge, tearing apart is preventing salvation,
the children are
some of the human race
I notice how when you think the breeder is human his actions are wrong, but not neccessarily so otherwise.

I wanted people to have a chance to deal with it themseves before I spelled it out.

B. W. wrote:

ultimate777 wrote:Say I decide to breed pit bulls?
I have a premonition I utterly believe in a pit bull I breed
will tear apart some small children I will have, in part due to their carelessness.
If my premonition comes true are the children responsible?
If not, who is?

If the owner would have listened to God - he wouldn't be breeding pit bulls...
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See my second reply to Rick.

RickD wrote:

ultimate wrote:
I'm not saying, I'm asking, I actually hope someone can prove to my satisfaction that it is absolutely not God's fault but I don't think anybody can.

If you've already made up your mind that God is at fault,

I have not

then it's possible that nobody can prove to you that it's not God's fault that people sin.

I have pretty much made up my mind that no one can prove or disprove it,
not whether or not, and very likely nobody would even try to meet my stipulations.

I guess I could conversely say that there's a very good chance that nobody could convince me that it is God's fault.

You wouldn't want them to, but I would want someone to prove the opposite.
It would be wonderful if it could be proved I was wrong about nobody being able to.