SkepticalSkeeter wrote:B. W. wrote:SkepticalSkeeter wrote:B. W. wrote:Wow, skeptic true to your avatar name are ya?
Two questions:
One: Has not Obama increased the national debt to 17 trillion dollars - he added more to the debt than the bushes ever did - did he not?
It depends who you ask. They play games with the numbers on both sides of the aisle. Either way, who cares? I didn't say that Obama didn't increase the debt, I pointed out that Bush and Reagan did as well. Your narrative is wrong because you're trying to take a complex issue and turn it into a biased talking-point. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't work.
Skeptic, I know the liberal talking point and read the skewed graph they use to show how wicked Reagan and evil Bush's are responsible for the ill of the national debt, then the graph conveniently adds a green line t show how, if only Democrats ruled, the debt would have decreased. Well. this is a bold face lie and not based on proper statistical math either due to conjecture concerning the glories of Keynesian economics (which do not work long term as the only means). You assertion is totally disingenuous too.
You are just the poster boy for cognitive dissonance...
If you look just above what you wrote you'll find what I wrote. If you read it you'll find that I did not, in fact, say that Bush and Reagan were wicked, evil, and entirely responsible for the debt. What I actually said, which I remind you is written just above your response, was that BOTH parties contributed to the debt. BOTH, B.W., by which I mean the Republican AND the Democrats. Together. That, you see, is what's known as a "fact."
Thank you for clarifying what you are saying. Let me recap: You blame the current economic woes on Reagan and Bush. Now if I am hearing you correctly, you cited that Reagan did build the US Military and that helped bring down the Iron Curtain and set free multiplied millions of people. So, Reagan, along with Margret Thatcher, and Pope John Paul II, did without a costly bloody hot war, brought down the USSR's empire. Millions of people were set free.
One one hand you sound like this was okay and then on the other hand your premise is that this was wrong due to the increase in the national debt. That presents a logical contradiction in this manner, why was it morally wrong for Reagan to help bring down the USSR's Iron Curtain,setting million upon million people enslaved to central planners? Was it because the monies could have been used for socialized health care system in the USA, not giving to poor in the USA to secure a perpetual voting block for the Dem Party all enslaved to entitlements? Why was it wrong to set multiplied millions free?
Well, on behalf of the millions of folks freed from Communism's central planning methods, you owe them all a heartfelt apology for being so insensitive. I guess, what I am hearing you actually say is that it would have been better to leave the Iron Current up and the USSR in power, than to wage a non-bloody war, that set millions free.
How insulting is that to our friends from the Czech Republic, where 1over, Hana, is from! How bloody insulting is your progressive logic to them and all who longed one day to be free from central planners. To accuse Reagan of a great wrong is insulting. But it does not surprise me that progressive world would rather have the Iron Curtain still up and have millions enslaved to central Planners - surprises me not.
Are you man enough to see how insulting the progressive insinuation is and how much truth is left out just to bash Reagan and Bush. Add to this the GW Bush had 911 to contend with and we still have to, to this day.
Recall during the glory days of Clinton, that it was he who gave the green light for North Korea to build a Nuclear reactor...how is that working out?
Recall also, how shortly after Clinton won, before any budget was written or passed, how the economy took off and boomed. Nothing to do with Clinton because he hadn't submitted a budget at all but the recovery was all due to Reagan and Bush senior.
You know, I prefer the self correcting nature of Capitalism's free market place because the abuses are corrected and changed. However, for the central planners, all abuses cannot be changed due to what is actually unfettered monopolized enforced by Government crony capitalism - they very kind the left accuses and touts creates all the woe and misery and exploitation. You have the Company store model for goods, services, and health care - very dangerous as it cannot self correct.
SkepticalSkeeter wrote:B. W. wrote:In fact, it was the likes of Dem's like Barney Frank who spearheaded the charge into the home loan fiasco that lead to the collapse and the reason for it was to destroy all opposition to the progressive dem's. It was democrats and the new get-along-tone-at-all-cost-tone-from-Bush with the progressive Democrats that created the mess. The progressive propaganda arm of the Democrat Part, the main stream news, crucified Bush as did the dem's themselves and Bush played soft ball with those that sought his demise at all cost. That is a greater evil and disservice to to this country - to use the compromising Bush style of governing against itself all done in order to bring economic woe all in order just to blame Bush, conservatives, and all who oppose the real Party responsible for hoodwinking so many into the home loan fiasco. They either knew it would lead to world economic recessions or did not consider it - remains to be seen.
Are you seriously suggesting that "progressives" secretly tanked the world economy in order to make conservatives look bad? Have you been driving nails with your forehead?
I really do not know if they did but knowing their ideological hatred, it would not surprised their hate blinded them to the actual results.
Now, for an good example of what I am talking about, just look at the Obamacare website, the Healthcare massive paged bill, and the future damage it will inflict upon us all, in the USA. They knew they should delay but NO - full steam ahead, anyways. Well that is what you get for shutting out the other half of our representatives from even participating in the creation of this monster. Only one Party voted for it... in the dead of night before the holidays... Merry Christmas - oh I forgot, we can't say Christmas any more - the thought police are out...
Isn't Central Planning grand - trash the opposition, shut them out of the political process by calling them names, bigots, tea baggers, terrorist, stupid, homophobes, racist, uncaring, wants the disabled to die, take away SSI and SSDI, etc and etc... this name calling demonetization is maddening. Yes, the progressives would do anything to collapse the system at any cost to further their central planning goals - even cut their own throats in doing so.
SkepticalSkeeter wrote:B. W. wrote:You have the progressive savior of the world speaking hope and change and how he would never follow the same failed polices as Bush - yet another lie.
Bush has been out of power, therefore, stop making your savior, progressivsm's Obama out as an innocent Victim - it will not work with me, or many reading this.
The possibility that there might be a position other than Christian conservative or progressive strawman just doesn't fit into your worldview, does it? It's like arguing with a sheep. No matter what I say you'll respond the same way because "Baaa!" is the only word you know...
Yes, it is called the truth... the truth you fail to note and the truth how the progressive mantra about Reagan and Bush creating the massive debt poor Dem's have to to cure by adding more to the debt than all presidents combine, is highly insulting to those freed form the Iron Curtain's communistic domination, those killed on 911, as it makes a mockery out of truth for pure partisan politics win at all cost model the Dem's now use.
You can say you hate both sides, but you really do not. How can I tell? Simple, by your remarks - you have vitriol hate against all things conservative or Christian or Tea Party and anyone who disagrees with the glories of Central planing.
PS - I do not watch or listen to Beck - I am a Social Worker well trained in the art of Community Organizing and understand the motives and desires of the left full well.
Have a good day!
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