Evidence for God from Science

jerzy wrote:1over137

Sorry, I didn’t mean to offend you but wanted to provide a bit more of information on the subject.

While most of the Christians never read the entire Bible through many of the pulpit man are ignorant or preach false doctrines deliberately to conform to what people want.

I am not offended. Only asking for respect.

1over137

I know nobody here & have no reason to disrespect people. I was wearing the same shoes some years ago.

However, I might use strong language to convince people that making-up stories about God’s word instead of saying exactly as it is written is a serious offence before God. Many are dubbed into believing the stories.

I didn’t mention yet how many millions the Trinitarians have butchered of their own brothers supposedly in the name of God of the Bible. How many heretics who were pointing to God’s word they annihilated in the most barbaric ways. How much of blood they needed to cultivate their non-Biblical theologies.

I didn’t say why Christianity is perceived as the biggest religious scam imposed by the most barbaric ways known to humanity.

No wonder why Jesus spoke about the wide way leading to destruction with many following it and about the narrow way leading to salvation with not many finding it.

Well, the main stream Christians seem to have proven Jesus wrong once again. Almost half of the world’s population claim to have found the narrow way.

The only problem is that there are few following the wide way. Do you see what I mean? Jesus must have been wrong again because billions of people must be right.

Can you wait for our replies? I plan to come back with Bible verses. (sorry, that I am not that skilled scholar yet.)

Let's discuss what is in Bible. You may say whatever and you may say it in whatever way, fact remains it will not move with me as Bible has the final say.

1over137

Point taken. Please forgive my over-exposure.

Thank you.

God does indeed state that Satan is a fallen angel.
Jesus, the living word of God states as much in Mark 10:18

It should be made clear that Satan is not God "opposer", but OURS.

As for the flood in Noah's time.
Genesis is also clear as to why God did it:
Genesis 6
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Corruption of Mankind

6 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 The Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.

God that created is the sole judge of who and what deserves to live when they go against His divine purpose.

Jerzy,
You seem to be lacking knowledge in some basic theology, if you like I can suggest some reading material.

PaulSacramento

You said “God does indeed state that Satan is a fallen angel.”

Text please.

You said: “Jesus, the living word of God states as much in Mark 10:18”

Firstly, thanks for acknowledging that Jesus is not word the God but the word of God.

Now let’s see the text: Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

It doesn't state that Satan is a fallen angel.

Instead Jesus clearly states that he doesn't own the glory of being called good. Such glory is due to God alone. I am sure you know whom Jesus was referring to. Jn 17:3 and 20:17 to mention but two out of hundreds of such proof texts.

Thanks for proving my point about the flood.

You said: “You seem to be lacking knowledge in some basic theology, if you like I can suggest some reading material.”

Thanks my friend but I am not interested in man-made stories. I have the sure word of God.

Please refrain from unnecessary talking and point to a text stating that Satan is a fallen angel instead.

Now you are being silly AND using a tone that will get you banned so I suggest you watch how you write things, ok?

Jesus, the son of God, the incarnate Word of God states that HE SAW satan fall from heaven.
If that does NOT mean that satan is a fallen angel, what does it mean?
Who else is in heaven but angels and God ?

You do NOT have the word of God, you have YOUR understanding of the word of God and please try to understand what that means or your stay here may be very short lived.

It's in Luke 10:18
And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

jerzy wrote:B.W.

Yes, I know what Isa 5:20 says. I am not changing God’s word by merely pointing to texts like De 32;39, Isa 45:7, Eze 14:13 to mention but three.

I also know what the word means in both OT and NT. It never means a fallen angel. It means a person (like Peter), people (like Pharisees) or human lust/way of thinking. While James is clear on genesis of sin in Jam 1:14-15 Paul describes his own struggle with his sinful nature in Rom 7:15-24.

One is certain, God doesn’t mention that there exist a fallen angel Satan who tempts, kills and destroys.

It is certain that we are tempted by our own lust.

It is certain that no a supposed fallen angel Satan but God kills and destroys (directly by His Spirit or His angels or indirectly by setting wicket against evil people).

Christianity borrowed many of the pagan beliefs (with some modifications) and declared as their official teachings. The fallen angel Satan is one of them.

Unfortunately it is one of the most contrary (if not the most contrary) to God’s word. It acknowledges existence of a supernatural power opposing God, tempting, killing and destroying.

1. God’s word clearly states that there is no power besides the power of God.
2. It states that God kills and destroys.
3. Further, it states that we are responsible for controlling our lustful body and have nobody but ourselves to blame for our sins.

Propagating the supposed fallen angel Satan theology is idolatry.

Let's see, you use an avatar name here known as jerzy.

Is Jerzy your real name? How many names do you have?

How many words adjectives, verbs, nouns could be used to describe you, your looks, your character, your roles, your work ethic?

The bible is not a mechanically translated book. For example, the word translated angel in the ancient Hebrew (Malek) and Greek (ággelos) means in its simplest form: a messenger, a task bearer, servant on assignment,.

A messenger can be human, as was the case when Abraham sent a malek, his servant, to fetch Issac a wife. That word is used in that very text to describe the servant on a mission. It relies on context of scripture to determine what type of being a malek (angel) is. In other words, the word angel simply is an avatar like name, used to describe various persons and intelligent beings. Angel is not a mechanical name with only one use and meaning. Context defines the word. Therefore, an angel can refer to any being...

Next, Ezekiel 28:12,13, 14 describes satan as a Cherub and Genesis describes him as a serpent and in Isaiah 14:12 describes him as the shinning one. Job mentions a name, Leviathan as the king over all the children of pride. All descriptions of the same being.

The word translated satan means adversary, destroyer, ruiner, the proud one or ones, and can refer anyone one rebellious and can refer to the leader of rebellion himself. Again, context helps define the meaning.

Jesus said this in Luke 10:18, "And He (Jesus) said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning." This means, Jesus is divine and preexisted when the rebellion happened. This rebellion is mentioned in Rev 12:7,8, 9 read below...

"And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, 8 and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." NASB

Verse 9 describes the one seen by Jesus to have fallen, as the great dragon, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan and who does what?

The context is clear and remains true the the correct usages of the word Satan can be used describe the head leader. So who is this being other than a created being, a covering cherub, a fallen messenger servant i.e. angel, the Leviathan, the great dragon, the father of lies and a host of other titles. Therefore, calling Satan a fallen angel is correct as he is a fallen servant messenger task bearer...

In other words, jerzy, let's follow your logic for a moment. Your real name is not jerzy, therefore, you do not exist. Yet, you type, and respond but since you are called, jerzy, you can't exist and cannot really be called, jerzy, can you?

Your method of debate is very poor and your responses demonstrate hubris and contempt and is fitting for a child of pride. You need to come to the real cross and become born again to escape the snare of the devil. Do you want to become born again of Christ Jesus and escape the the wrath to come?
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B.W.
That is basic Theology 101.
Something the most that have truly studied the bible can see and know.
That jerzy doesn't "see" this makes me question his motives for being here.

I think all he wanted was the verse. When it was given to him he stopped replying after proven wrong.

Thanks b.w. for the verses. I just arrived from the work and see and think your answer as should be sufficient.

RickD wrote:It's in Luke 10:18
And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

Yeah, I stated that in the first page of this thread ( then put Mark by accident the second time I posted, thanks for the correction Rick).