Re: Multiverse- A replacement for God
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:27 pm
While the idea of a multiverse is merely and scientifically theoretical (and fraught with many huge problems), and often whipped out as a supposed and desperate counter to arguments that there must be a Creator, with GOD, nothing is impossible - even a series of universes. Or simultaneous universes. However, that doesn't make this a reality or one we can currently prove. And WITHOUT God, a universe - even ONE universe - coming into being without a Cause is ZILCH! And not only could not ONE universe exist that has no prior Cause, even if one could somehow come into existence, uncaused, the ability and odds of it producing the necessary fine tuning that could sustain, much less produce, life - even in just one planet? Absolute ZERO! Many rambling on about such a possibility often do not realize the number of miraculous and exceptionally complex, necessarily interactive components, and comprehensively precise mechanisms necessary for just ONE planet to exist that would allow, much less sustain, biological life.
Look at the fine-tuning necessary for OUR universe and OUR planet: http://www.reasons.org/articles/fine-tu ... e-universe And so where did these mechanisms and the complex laws governing them come from.
I see this all the time in naive newspaper articles - in which a constantly fund-seeking and self-justifying NASA promotes and wildly hypes the probability - in which it is asserted that if a planet has (or once had) water, is in the "Goldilocks Zone," has the necessary temperatures and perhaps a few other basic attributes, then it is "quite likely that such a planet has or once had some form of (at least primitive) life. So we're to believe that our own universe and planet, both so incredibly fine-tuned and unique in such an astonishing number of necessary and mathematically, unlikely, complex attributes, that these have been similarly replicated in countless other universes? It takes tremendous faith to believe that even ONE such UNCAUSED universe could exist. To believe that some infinite or even a few other such universes could exist, UNCAUSED, well, someone with that kind of faith in something so completely unproven and without substantial evidences to believe it is really a person who has completely deluded themselves.
But WITH God creating and sustaining them, I have no problem believing that God has possibly created countless universes and dimensions, in which His attributes of being constantly active and creative, have been eternally producing them. If true, the existence of other (outside of our universe, and possibly, time) such universes and creatures shouldn't rattle anyone's theological cage. And these other universes and realities, if they exist, may be physical or not. Just because man was created to live in a physical universe and as Heaven is described as being a physical place (of which both the Apostles John and Paul saw glimpses of), it does not mean that ALL of God's other creations are physical as well. And it doesn't mean that God hasn't created, had purposes for, had those purposes play out, and then subsequently deleted other universes and dimensions. We just don't know. If true, so far, He hasn't revealed them to us. Nor have any other forms of life made themselves known to us. Do they exist? WITH God, possible - theoretically and otherwise. WITHOUT God ... impossible!
The mere fact that God is constantly active, delights in being creative (on a scale we cannot accurately or mentally fathom), and that He has ALWAYS existed - and with these abilities and attributes - why should we be surprised if He has created other universes, realities and beings besides humans and angels? Does one believe that God has been merely twiddling his thumbs and planning our universe, time and existence FOR ETERNITY PAST? To me, it's very human and narcissistic to think that God's creations have only revolved around US. But to hear most Christians talk, you would think they believe that to be the case.
Look at the fine-tuning necessary for OUR universe and OUR planet: http://www.reasons.org/articles/fine-tu ... e-universe And so where did these mechanisms and the complex laws governing them come from.
I see this all the time in naive newspaper articles - in which a constantly fund-seeking and self-justifying NASA promotes and wildly hypes the probability - in which it is asserted that if a planet has (or once had) water, is in the "Goldilocks Zone," has the necessary temperatures and perhaps a few other basic attributes, then it is "quite likely that such a planet has or once had some form of (at least primitive) life. So we're to believe that our own universe and planet, both so incredibly fine-tuned and unique in such an astonishing number of necessary and mathematically, unlikely, complex attributes, that these have been similarly replicated in countless other universes? It takes tremendous faith to believe that even ONE such UNCAUSED universe could exist. To believe that some infinite or even a few other such universes could exist, UNCAUSED, well, someone with that kind of faith in something so completely unproven and without substantial evidences to believe it is really a person who has completely deluded themselves.
But WITH God creating and sustaining them, I have no problem believing that God has possibly created countless universes and dimensions, in which His attributes of being constantly active and creative, have been eternally producing them. If true, the existence of other (outside of our universe, and possibly, time) such universes and creatures shouldn't rattle anyone's theological cage. And these other universes and realities, if they exist, may be physical or not. Just because man was created to live in a physical universe and as Heaven is described as being a physical place (of which both the Apostles John and Paul saw glimpses of), it does not mean that ALL of God's other creations are physical as well. And it doesn't mean that God hasn't created, had purposes for, had those purposes play out, and then subsequently deleted other universes and dimensions. We just don't know. If true, so far, He hasn't revealed them to us. Nor have any other forms of life made themselves known to us. Do they exist? WITH God, possible - theoretically and otherwise. WITHOUT God ... impossible!
The mere fact that God is constantly active, delights in being creative (on a scale we cannot accurately or mentally fathom), and that He has ALWAYS existed - and with these abilities and attributes - why should we be surprised if He has created other universes, realities and beings besides humans and angels? Does one believe that God has been merely twiddling his thumbs and planning our universe, time and existence FOR ETERNITY PAST? To me, it's very human and narcissistic to think that God's creations have only revolved around US. But to hear most Christians talk, you would think they believe that to be the case.
