Evidence for God from Science

RickD wrote:So one got bullied 10, 20, 40 years ago. Get over it! Grow up! Life is too short

Exactly!

Silvertusk wrote:I am a teacher and I have seen first hand the effects of bullying on others. It is devastating. I know children who have committed suicide because of it. FL, if you think these people are just being whiny then like Dan said I would like to see you say that to their faces, but fortunately for you they are dead and so you can't.

People didn't commit suicide when I was a kid because of bullying; it just didn't happen. There is something perversely feminine - for lack of a better qualifier - about young men now.

Bullying is ''devastating''?! You are making bullying devastating with your attitude. When I was a kid, we were taught to defend ourselves and to fight back. What do you recommend now to those being bullied? to run to mummy and tell the teacher? Is that working? NO! bullying is getting worse.

People with your attitude are part of the bullying problem, Silver.

FL

Silvertusk wrote:Let FL speak for himself Rick.

He has and I have nothing to say to a person like that, the best we can do is to ignore him, by responding to him we are just giving him what he wants.

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:

RickD wrote:So one got bullied 10, 20, 40 years ago. Get over it! Grow up! Life is too short

Exactly!

Silvertusk wrote:I am a teacher and I have seen first hand the effects of bullying on others. It is devastating. I know children who have committed suicide because of it. FL, if you think these people are just being whiny then like Dan said I would like to see you say that to their faces, but fortunately for you they are dead and so you can't.

People didn't commit suicide when I was a kid because of bullying; it just didn't happen. There is something perversely feminine - for lack of a better qualifier - about young men now.

Bullying is ''devastating''?! You are making bullying devastating with your attitude. When I was a kid, we were taught to defend ourselves and to fight back. What do you recommend now to those being bullied? to run to mummy and tell the teacher? Is that working? NO! bullying is getting worse.

People with your attitude are part of the bullying problem, Silver.

FL

FL when you have had 4 years of teacher training then I might even consider listening to you on how to deal with bullies. Yes we tell them to come to us and we deal with them and the bulling does stop in most cases. I do not have a problem with people standing up to bullies, but your naievity in suggesting that it has no effect, even lasting affect is just plain wrong, in fact it is the same attitude I have encountered in bullies themselves. Be careful with your language FL, your comments are coming close to insults and will warrant a ban.

RickD wrote:Guys,

FL is talking about grown men complaining about being bullied when they were young. He didn't insinuate that we should turn a blind eye when children are bullied.

FL was specifically talking about us as adults. We all have been bullied. Don't dwell on problems of our childhood. Crap, if I kept dwelling on everything that happened as a child, I'd be a drug addicted alcoholic.

So one got bullied 10, 20, 40 years ago. Get over it! Grow up! Life is too short.

And another thing. We need to take a step back and stop assuming people mean something that was never said nor implied.

And if we're not sure of someone's post, ask for clarification. Instead of jumping down someone's throat for something they never meant.

So you think it is perfectly ok to treat people like crap, because after all they should just grow up and get over it.
Maybe murder should be on the cards also or even better how about some rape, after all they should just grow up and get over it. We should just do what we want whenever we want with no regard for anyone else because after all nothing is going to change until Christ returns.

I am seriously wondering how it is possible that you can hold a moderator position on a Christian forum and be advocating and protecting sinful behaviour. If you allow one type of sin to become normalised then you might as well open the flood gates for all sin. It's one thing to act on sinful desires it is another to justify and sanction them as perfectly ok.

Daniel wrote:
So you think it is perfectly ok to treat people like crap, because after all they should just grow up and get over it.

Daniel,

Show me where I said such a thing.

Maybe murder should be on the cards also or even better how about some rape, after all they should just grow up and get over it.

Never mind jumping to conclusions. Your making a huge leap here. The topic is about a video of a 38 year old man who was bullied as a kid. A 38 year old man who is still dwelling on something that happened probably at least 20 years ago. Don't you think it's time to move on?

Nobody even mentioned rape or murder.

We should just do what we want whenever we want with no regard for anyone else because after all nothing is going to change until Christ returns.

I'm going to call you Evel Knievel from now on. Your epic leaps from one topic to another that wasn't even insinuated, makes Evel's snake river jump look like a kid jumping over a puddle.

Daniel,
You have the flu. Go get some rest before you say something you'll regret later on.

I am seriously wondering how it is possible that you can hold a moderator position on a Christian forum and be advocating and protecting sinful behaviour. If you allow one type of sin to become normalised then you might as well open the flood gates for all sin. It's one thing to act on sinful desires it is another to justify and sanction them as perfectly ok.

Daniel,

Advocating and protecting sinful behavior? Have you been drinking too much Theraflu?

Daniel,

Cool down and take a break. Come back when you feel better. Please, we say things we don't mean when we're sick sometimes.

Go get better.

Rick wrote:And if we're not sure of someone's post, ask for clarification

I think many times this would help to avoid misunderstandings and consequent emotions.

If I am right FL wondered what is with this society that bullying is so much more damaging these days than in the past. I do not know, but these days parents do not have much time for their children. We live in a stressful world, nobody has time, etc. Kids may not have such family background as they should have and may not be healthily self-confident. Their personalities are not respected and they are less stable.

My two cents.

Dear Daniel,

The effect of bullying is usually a piece of a bigger puzzle, which has other components such as the circumstances of your upbringing which sometimes combine, to keep you in a helpless state of mind.
The role of adults in your childhood life, like parent or guardian, have a lot to do with your strength and will power.
So you'll probably find other triggers besides bullying, even though this one may be the strongest one.
Satan likes to dis-empower individuals and picks on those who are disadvantaged, in particular the fatherless, orphaned, adopted etc. He counts on manipulating desensitized and ignorant people to continue a victim mentality in you.
On the other hand God is especially the "God of the fatherless" and brings victory through their trials.

There are many people who can identify with you, and know exactly what pain, rejection, and abuse is.

While bullying is totally unacceptable, so is putting whole populations into a helpless child state of mind through a protectionist regime.

I know you are not suggesting that and just want people to be more aware of the real effects of crime.

Silvertusk wrote:FL when you have had 4 years of teacher training then I might even consider listening to you on how to deal with bullies.

Your teacher's training is worthless insofar as dealing with bullies is concerned. Sorry. Do you have enough insight to see that your methods are inadequate and that the problem is getting worse? I don't think so, I really don't. You are blind and proud of it! Open your Bible and read : things will get worse and worse until Messiah comes. The methods we are now using to ''improve'' our lot are doomed to failure. This was prophesied centuries ago and none of your ''teacher's training'' will make anything better. Do you want to make things better, albeit temporarily? Then, look at what was done in the past. In the past, before all of our modern perversions: before abortion, disavowal of God, sexual liberation, pornography, strip clubs, drugs, gay rights/marriage/adoption. The past, when people married and when their marriage lasted! the past, when you didn't need a written contract to trust someone! the past, when we said we trusted in God instead of the government and the ''inherent goodness of man.''

Silvertusk wrote: Yes we tell them to come to us and we deal with them and the bulling does stop in most cases. I do not have a problem with people standing up to bullies, but your naievity in suggesting that it has no effect, even lasting affect is just plain wrong,

You even believe your own propaganda! Even Goebbles knew he was lying! You tell me ''the bullying stops'' yet never before modern times have people committed suicide over bullying! Sorry, but the bullying doesn't stop, it just takes another form. You are amazingly blind: you really believe that evil just goes away if you tell it to.

Silvertusk wrote:Be careful with your language FL, your comments are coming close to insults and will warrant a ban.

I'm not insulting you, Silver. I'm telling you plainly and in unmistakable language that you are full of baloney on this topic. I understand that current secular wisdom validates your baloney.

As far as banning me is concerned, are you morally qualified to do so? Just a very short time ago you were doubting the very existence of God! Over some man-made theory, you wondered about God's very existence! Is your faith that weak?

FL

Well I will take my baloney and weak faith out of your face FL. I will not be bothering you or anyone on this forum ever again.

FL,
As a teacher Silvertusk would have first hand experience in these matters, and I'm pretty sure he has wanted on occasions to give a little wild western justice, but in the longer term, as he stated this action does not work to stop bullying, simply because the low self worth and low self respect that bullies create, is actually their own problem.
And if that is not addressed they will only give out what they have - terror, sorrow and abandonment, and get better at it until they end up in prison.

RickD wrote:

Daniel wrote:
So you think it is perfectly ok to treat people like crap, because after all they should just grow up and get over it.

Daniel,

Show me where I said such a thing.

Maybe murder should be on the cards also or even better how about some rape, after all they should just grow up and get over it.

Never mind jumping to conclusions. Your making a huge leap here. The topic is about a video of a 38 year old man who was bullied as a kid. A 38 year old man who is still dwelling on something that happened probably at least 20 years ago. Don't you think it's time to move on?

Nobody even mentioned rape or murder.

We should just do what we want whenever we want with no regard for anyone else because after all nothing is going to change until Christ returns.

I'm going to call you Evel Knievel from now on. Your epic leaps from one topic to another that wasn't even insinuated, makes Evel's snake river jump look like a kid jumping over a puddle.

Daniel,
You have the flu. Go get some rest before you say something you'll regret later on.

Rick I am not jumping to conclusions, I am just taking your arguments to their logical conclusions.

People who have been bullied will never recover, it changes the mind in a physical way and emotionally damages the person for good. By you saying he should just get over it, is basically diminishing the sin that was done against him and saying it is ok. If your going to do that then you have to apply your logic to all sin, like rape, victims of war, incest, murder, violent crime, according to your logic all these people should just get over it and go quietly into the night.

1over137 wrote:

Rick wrote:And if we're not sure of someone's post, ask for clarification

I think many times this would help to avoid misunderstandings and consequent emotions.

There is no miss understanding Hana, I am just taking Ricks arguments to their logical conclusion.

Silvertusk wrote:Well I will take my baloney and weak faith out of your face FL. I will not be bothering you or anyone on this forum ever again.

I am with you Silver, it's unfortunate that we have to take these measures but I don't see what other choice there is.

I wish you could block from seeing a particular persons posts, like on FB.