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Domenic · Post by **Domenic** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:28 pm

I do not believe in the trinity. Jesus has the keys to life, and death. father is who say can, and can't go to Jesus...John 6:44

RickD · Post by **RickD** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:34 pm

Domenic wrote:I do not believe in the trinity. Jesus has the keys to life, and death. father is who say can, and can't go to Jesus...John 6:44

Do you believe Jesus is God?

Domenic · Post by **Domenic** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:06 pm

RickD wrote:
Domenic wrote:I do not believe in the trinity. Jesus has the keys to life, and death. father is who say can, and can't go to Jesus...John 6:44
Do you believe Jesus is God?

1 Colossians 1:15 "He is the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation. 16 because by means of him all other things were created in heaven, and on earth."

Does this answer your question? Jesus is not the Father...God the father was never born. Jesus was.

Lonewolf · Post by **Lonewolf** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:05 pm

Domenic wrote:...Would you like me to prove your religion false? If so, just give me a list of things you believe.

GOD is my Redeemer., there is no one else True

GOD is my Saviour., there is no one else Perfect

GOD is Life., there is no other Life besides Him

RickD · Post by **RickD** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:18 am

Domenic wrote:
RickD wrote:
Domenic wrote:I do not believe in the trinity. Jesus has the keys to life, and death. father is who say can, and can't go to Jesus...John 6:44
Do you believe Jesus is God?
1 Colossians 1:15 "He is the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation. 16 because by means of him all other things were created in heaven, and on earth."

Does this answer your question? Jesus is not the Father...God the father was never born. Jesus was.

No, that doesn't answer my question. I didn't ask if Jesus was the Father. I asked you if you believe Jesus is God.

Domenic · Post by **Domenic** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:11 am

RickD wrote:
Domenic wrote:
RickD wrote:
Domenic wrote:I do not believe in the trinity. Jesus has the keys to life, and death. father is who say can, and can't go to Jesus...John 6:44
Do you believe Jesus is God?
1 Colossians 1:15 "He is the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation. 16 because by means of him all other things were created in heaven, and on earth."

Does this answer your question? Jesus is not the Father...God the father was never born. Jesus was.
No, that doesn't answer my question. I didn't ask if Jesus was the Father. I asked you if you believe Jesus is God.

Do you think there is a difference?

RickD · Post by **RickD** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:24 am

Domenic wrote:
RickD wrote:
Domenic wrote:
RickD wrote:
Domenic wrote:I do not believe in the trinity. Jesus has the keys to life, and death. father is who say can, and can't go to Jesus...<a class="rtBibleRef" href="http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/John%206.44" data-reference="John 6.44" data-version="nasb95" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">John 6:44</a>
Do you believe Jesus is God?
1 <a class="rtBibleRef" href="http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Colossians%201.15" data-reference="Colossians 1.15" data-version="nasb95" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Colossians 1:15</a> "He is the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation. 16 because by means of him all other things were created in heaven, and on earth."

Does this answer your question? Jesus is not the Father...God the father was never born. Jesus was.
No, that doesn't answer my question. I didn't ask if Jesus was the Father. I asked you if you believe Jesus is God.
Do you think there is a difference?

Are you having trouble answering? It's not difficult. Do you believe Jesus Christ is God, or not?

Domenic · Post by **Domenic** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:36 am

No I 'm not having trouble answering. But it seem you are having trouble understanding my reply. I said;
"Does this answer your question? Jesus is not the Father...God the father was never born. Jesus was.[/quote]
Let me break that down for you.

God is the Father. Father was never born.
Jesus was born.
If father was never born, and Jesus was born...that would mean they are not the same person.

Post by **1over137** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:46 am

Domenic wrote:No I 'm not having trouble answering. But it seem you are having trouble understanding my reply. I said;
"Does this answer your question? Jesus is not the Father...God the father was never born. Jesus was.
Let me break that down for you.

God is the Father. Father was never born.
Jesus was born.
If father was never born, and Jesus was born...that would mean they are not the same person.

Domenic, if you think Jesus is not God, look at the Bible verses here please http://www.bugman123.com/Bible/JesusIsGod.html
Do you still think Jesus is not God, because that it seems you think.

RickD · Post by **RickD** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:57 am

Domenic wrote:No I 'm not having trouble answering. But it seem you are having trouble understanding my reply. I said;
"Does this answer your question? Jesus is not the Father...God the father was never born. Jesus was.
Let me break that down for you.

God is the Father. Father was never born.

Jesus was born.
If father was never born, and Jesus was born...that would mean they are not the same person.

You are avoiding an answer. You already said you don't believe in the Trinity. Trinitarians believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God, and are all separate persons.

So, one can believe that Jesus is God, and Jesus is not the Father.

It seems like you are saying Jesus is NOT God. But since I don't want to wrongly assume what you're saying, I'd like you to answer directly with a simple yes or no answer, which you seem to be avoiding. Is Jesus Christ God? Yes or no?

Domenic · Post by **Domenic** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:51 am

RickD wrote:
Domenic wrote:No I 'm not having trouble answering. But it seem you are having trouble understanding my reply. I said;
"Does this answer your question? Jesus is not the Father...God the father was never born. Jesus was.
Let me break that down for you.

God is the Father. Father was never born.

Jesus was born.
If father was never born, and Jesus was born...that would mean they are not the same person.
You are avoiding an answer. You already said you don't believe in the Trinity. Trinitarians believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God, and are all separate persons.

So, one can believe that Jesus is God, and Jesus is not the Father.

It seems like you are saying Jesus is NOT God. But since I don't want to wrongly assume what you're saying, I'd like you to answer directly with a simple yes or no answer, which you seem to be avoiding. Is Jesus Christ God? Yes or no?

Does Jesus have the title God? Yes...Satan also has the Title God. The Bible says there are many Gods, and many Lords.
Corinthians 8:5
There is only one God the Father. Jesus is the first born of all creation...I fail to see why you can't understand that?

RickD · Post by **RickD** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:14 am

Domenic wrote:
RickD wrote:
Domenic wrote:No I 'm not having trouble answering. But it seem you are having trouble understanding my reply. I said;
"Does this answer your question? Jesus is not the Father...God the father was never born. Jesus was.
Let me break that down for you.

God is the Father. Father was never born.

Jesus was born.
If father was never born, and Jesus was born...that would mean they are not the same person.
You are avoiding an answer. You already said you don't believe in the Trinity. Trinitarians believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God, and are all separate persons.

So, one can believe that Jesus is God, and Jesus is not the Father.

It seems like you are saying Jesus is NOT God. But since I don't want to wrongly assume what you're saying, I'd like you to answer directly with a simple yes or no answer, which you seem to be avoiding. Is Jesus Christ God? Yes or no?
Does Jesus have the title God? Yes...Satan also has the Title God. The Bible says there are many Gods, and many Lords.
Corinthians 8:5
There is only one God the Father. Jesus is the first born of all creation...I fail to see why you can't understand that?

There is one God, and one Lord. There are many gods and many lords. See the difference?

I'm going to ask you again. Is Jesus Christ God? Yes or no.

Post by **1over137** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:14 am

I looked at 1 Corinthians 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Hmm. Interesting.

Domenic · Post by **Domenic** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:29 am

1over137 wrote:I looked at 1 Corinthians 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Hmm. Interesting.

You should read Colossians 1: 1-15. This explains that Jesus is the son of God the Father, The first born of all creations, and through Jesus, the first of all creation, all other things were created.

Post by **1over137** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:52 am

Domenic wrote:
1over137 wrote:I looked at 1 Corinthians 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Hmm. Interesting.
You should read Colossians 1: 1-15. This explains that Jesus is the son of God the Father, The first born of all creations, and through Jesus, the first of all creation, all other things were created.

And I have read this http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Son-of-God.html about Jesus being the Son
And this http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-first-born.html about Jesus being the firstborn.

Jesus is God.

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