Evidence for God from Science

WannaLearn wrote:Ok lets say im not a christian how do I even know where to start with what religions I might even consider to be the correct one?

Starhunter wrote:

WannaLearn wrote:Ok lets say im not a christian how do I even know where to start with what religions I might even consider to be the correct one?

John 4:23,24. KJV.

Whoever asks the Q about which religion, usually has a particular need to be met, they want to have some assurance that they are able to connect to God - if they choose, - and then have confirmation of that fact.

Since established religions claim to be the 'advertising agents for God,' the enquirer gets confused.

Jesus effectively said that an establishment will not do it for you, because God is right with you, and can be worshiped in your own heart - the only church God has ordained.

For the Jew this takes them away from the wailing wall, the Islamist from reading out prayers, the Catholic from the confession box, the ecumenical from seeking spiritual highs, the legalist from the lack of victory, the Buddhist from humanism, the JW from being controlled by the elders, the Mormon from exclusivity, the Satanist from lies about power, the atheist from feeling excluded, and the hedonist from disappointment.

What if they don't know Christ or worship Him?

This immediate connection of worship to the God of heaven or creation, which anybody can understand, will drive them to Christ, they will have gratitude and want a closer walk with God. As Jesus said - anyone that comes to me has been drawn by my Father. The work of the Holy Spirit now can afford to be much stronger, because the person has an available refuge from the storms of conviction, that create a need for Christ as a sacrifice in their behalf.

WannaLearn wrote:How do you knock down the religions to only 3. Judaism, islam, and Christianity.

stuartcr wrote:

WannaLearn wrote:How do you knock down the religions to only 3. Judaism, islam, and Christianity.

Why, if there truly is only one God? When someone prays to God, (regardless of how they perceive Him), how could the one God not hear?

PaulSacramento wrote:

stuartcr wrote:

WannaLearn wrote:How do you knock down the religions to only 3. Judaism, islam, and Christianity.

Why, if there truly is only one God? When someone prays to God, (regardless of how they perceive Him), how could the one God not hear?

I valid question.
I think that God does hear all prayers direct to Him IN FAITH and LOVE.
It is important to understand that all people believe because they CHOOSE to, they may follow a religion because they are forced BUT the believe because they choose to.
God KNOWS Us, He knows us better than we know ourselves and He knows WHY we pray to Him.
As a christian, my perspective is that Christ is the Son of God and Mediator between Man and God, so I direct my prayers THROUGH/TO Him.
I still talk to God but I know that talking to The Father IS talking to The Son, just as talking to The Son IS talking to The Father, but where does that leave those that do NOT believe in Christ and talk ONLY to The Father?
Well, to be honest, I leave that up to God BUT I would assume that God listens to those He KNOWS are HIS, regardless of where they may be in their faith IN HIM at anytime of their lives.

stuartcr wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

stuartcr wrote:

WannaLearn wrote:How do you knock down the religions to only 3. Judaism, islam, and Christianity.

Why, if there truly is only one God? When someone prays to God, (regardless of how they perceive Him), how could the one God not hear?

I valid question.
I think that God does hear all prayers direct to Him IN FAITH and LOVE.
It is important to understand that all people believe because they CHOOSE to, they may follow a religion because they are forced BUT the believe because they choose to.
God KNOWS Us, He knows us better than we know ourselves and He knows WHY we pray to Him.
As a christian, my perspective is that Christ is the Son of God and Mediator between Man and God, so I direct my prayers THROUGH/TO Him.
I still talk to God but I know that talking to The Father IS talking to The Son, just as talking to The Son IS talking to The Father, but where does that leave those that do NOT believe in Christ and talk ONLY to The Father?
Well, to be honest, I leave that up to God BUT I would assume that God listens to those He KNOWS are HIS, regardless of where they may be in their faith IN HIM at anytime of their lives.

I agree with God knowing why, but I do not think we choose to believe. I think God instills our beliefs or unbelief in Him, as He chooses, not us. As an example, I do not know how I could truly believe that a man came back from the dead. I could say I do, but as of this moment, I could not truly believe it, and I think God would know.

Lonewolf wrote:Now we're getting into Calvinism of sorts, no?

stuartcr wrote:How do you know we are free to reject God? Wouldn't God be the only one that would truly know that?

stuartcr wrote:I don't understand what rejecting God actually consists of. We certainly can't just stop believing something. God knows what is in us.

stuartcr wrote:I don't understand what rejecting God actually consists of. We certainly can't just stop believing something. God knows what is in us.

PaulSacramento wrote:

stuartcr wrote:I don't understand what rejecting God actually consists of. We certainly can't just stop believing something. God knows what is in us.

Rejecting God isn't not JUST not believing, fallen angels, demons, all believe in God and still reject Him.
Rejecting can be disbelief even when something deep down in us tells us to believe.
Rejecting is KNOW God and deciding to not want anything to do with Him.
Rejecting is actively going against God.
Etc, etc

Starhunter wrote:

stuartcr wrote:I don't understand what rejecting God actually consists of. We certainly can't just stop believing something. God knows what is in us.

According to the Bible, we are all wired to be friends forever with God, believers or not.
All human beings born, in whatever condition, have been given "a measure of faith."

Sin has turned the batteries in the head the other way around, so that nothing works properly.
But God has designed us all so that when the batteries are in the wrong way that we get uncomfortable signals and stings called the conscience. So God "knows what is in us" alright. He knows what He has made and likes us very much.

There is pain from having the batteries switched. This is what is meant when it says "there is no peace for the wicked." God "chastens those that He loves," in their interest, not as our earthly parents, who did it for mixed reasons.

This is the only reason God has allowed the world to suffer the consequences of their own actions. But you cannot be lost by bad circumstances, simply because love is stronger than death, and so it is in our hands what to do with it.

How does that work with non-Christians?

Can we know what is acceptable to God in black and white? Yes - the ten commandments - the law of God. In summary they spell "Love the Lord God with all your heart and your fellow as yourself."

Without this law, we have no certainty of our standing with God. A clear definition of what love is. Exodus 20.

Jesus said "if you love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15.

The question in our minds should not be whether we are sinning or not, but do we recognize love in the face of God, turn away from self, and look into the face that is prepared to die for you.

This mystery of the love of Christ in the heart will begin a new life, which is in harmony with the law of God. I say mystery because it is not our business how God does it, except we know that love transforms the life. Even animals know it !