Re: Evolution in history class?
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:36 am
It should be noted that IF the flood was global, the issue of Adam and Eve is irrelevant since the world population would be based on Noah and his family.
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
https://discussions.godandscience.org/
I think you're conflating soul and spirit.Morny wrote:I strongly doubt that http://www.catholic.com represents "the official position of the Catholic Church". Even the Jesuits would find humor with the website's creationist ramblings, for example, the page that lists "... scientific objections to evolution ...".Byblos wrote:Yes, the literal Adam and Eve is de fide. But this does not preclude traditional evolutionary understanding since a literal Adam and Eve could literally have been the first man and woman made in God's image (i.e. as in spiritual image).RickD wrote:Mel,
I believe the official position of the Catholic Church says Adam and Eve were real people.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/adam-eve-and-evolution
Maybe Byblos would know a little more.
But let's assume that the Catholic Church, or anyone for that matter, believes in evolution and also a spiritual Adam and Eve, i.e., the first mating pair with souls.
How does that work exactly?!
Adam and Eve would share at least 99.999% of their DNA with their parents. So with less than a .001% DNA difference, the parents are left off the list of those receiving souls? Really?
And what about Adam and Eve's children? The science of genetics shows that a single mating pair could not be the ancestor of all humans. So those kids would have had to have mated with pre-spiritual (soul-less) "humans". If you thought devout Christian parents would be aghast at their daughter bringing home a nice Jewish boy, can you imagine Adam and Eve's dismay when their daughter's date didn't have a soul?
OK, fine. The same argument applies to spirit.RickD wrote:I think you're conflating soul and spirit.
Reconciling what has been proven about evolution and the creation of man is never easy of course, especially since the Genesis account is not a scientific statement on creation but a theological one.Morny wrote:OK, fine. The same argument applies to spirit.RickD wrote:I think you're conflating soul and spirit.
As far as I can tell, you haven't addressed anything in my argument.PaulSacramento wrote:Reconciling what has been proven about evolution and the creation of man is never easy of course, especially since the Genesis account is not a scientific statement on creation but a theological one.Morny wrote:OK, fine. The same argument applies to spirit.RickD wrote:I think you're conflating soul and spirit.
That said, as I mentioned before, the issue is not so much one of Adam and Eve but the decedents of Noah (if we view the flood as global).
But to address your question of IF Adam and Eve were simply the fist to receive a spirit from God, what does that mean?
Well, it means that when Adam and Eve received that ( whenever it was) they received it FIRST before EVERYONE else in the Garden of Eden.
Wren did everyone else receive it?
We don't know, we just know that according to Genesis 2, Adam and Eve were the first.
We do NOT know when they got it, when they were created or how long they were in the Garden and what was happening outside the garden (Unless we see the statement in Genesis 1:26-30 as a statement on that part).
Morny wrote:As far as I can tell, you haven't addressed anything in my argument.PaulSacramento wrote:Reconciling what has been proven about evolution and the creation of man is never easy of course, especially since the Genesis account is not a scientific statement on creation but a theological one.Morny wrote:OK, fine. The same argument applies to spirit.RickD wrote:I think you're conflating soul and spirit.
That said, as I mentioned before, the issue is not so much one of Adam and Eve but the decedents of Noah (if we view the flood as global).
But to address your question of IF Adam and Eve were simply the fist to receive a spirit from God, what does that mean?
Well, it means that when Adam and Eve received that ( whenever it was) they received it FIRST before EVERYONE else in the Garden of Eden.
Wren did everyone else receive it?
We don't know, we just know that according to Genesis 2, Adam and Eve were the first.
We do NOT know when they got it, when they were created or how long they were in the Garden and what was happening outside the garden (Unless we see the statement in Genesis 1:26-30 as a statement on that part).
Two views:Adam and Eve would share at least 99.999% of their DNA with their parents. So with less than a .001% DNA difference, the parents are left off the list of those receiving souls? Really?
Refer back to the Noah and flood view for repopulation.And what about Adam and Eve's children? The science of genetics shows that a single mating pair could not be the ancestor of all humans. So those kids would have had to have mated with pre-spiritual (soul-less) "humans". If you thought devout Christian parents would be aghast at their daughter bringing home a nice Jewish boy, can you imagine Adam and Eve's dismay when their daughter's date didn't have a soul?
From eight people, actually.PaulSacramento wrote:The thing is that it is clear that the notion of ALL mankind being from two people a very close time ago, is being shown over and over to be very very unlikely.
We would have to take into account VAST migrations of masses of people to repopulate the earth after the flood.
The math really isn't there, nor is the geography of it.
Well, even 8 on all seriousness.RickD wrote:From eight people, actually.PaulSacramento wrote:The thing is that it is clear that the notion of ALL mankind being from two people a very close time ago, is being shown over and over to be very very unlikely.
We would have to take into account VAST migrations of masses of people to repopulate the earth after the flood.
The math really isn't there, nor is the geography of it.
Repopulate, yes. Bring animals, no. Of course I'm going on a local flood theory, where all humanity was killed, and all animals associated with humanity.PaulSacramento wrote:Well, even 8 on all seriousness.RickD wrote:From eight people, actually.PaulSacramento wrote:The thing is that it is clear that the notion of ALL mankind being from two people a very close time ago, is being shown over and over to be very very unlikely.
We would have to take into account VAST migrations of masses of people to repopulate the earth after the flood.
The math really isn't there, nor is the geography of it.
I mean, if we look only at Australia for example ( not even the Americas) it means that Noah decedents would have had to migrate to Australia and repopulate it ( and of course bring all those animals with them).
Not to make this about local VS Global since you know where I stand on that, but if it were global then unless God re-created animals in Australia, then they would have had to be brought in.RickD wrote:Repopulate, yes. Bring animals, no. Of course I'm going on a local flood theory, where all humanity was killed, and all animals associated with humanity.PaulSacramento wrote:Well, even 8 on all seriousness.RickD wrote:From eight people, actually.PaulSacramento wrote:The thing is that it is clear that the notion of ALL mankind being from two people a very close time ago, is being shown over and over to be very very unlikely.
We would have to take into account VAST migrations of masses of people to repopulate the earth after the flood.
The math really isn't there, nor is the geography of it.
I mean, if we look only at Australia for example ( not even the Americas) it means that Noah decedents would have had to migrate to Australia and repopulate it ( and of course bring all those animals with them).