Evidence for God from Science

The correlation between anti-semitism and anti-zionism is a cleverly thought out propaganda tool of the Zionist.
Are there people who use anti-zionism to fuel anti-semitism, absolutely but and this is a big BUT most anti-zionist are not anti-Semitic. I have stated this before and I will say it again, the leading forefront of anti-zionists are Jews. They see it for what it is. They are disgusted. As we all should be if we could relieve ourselves from the BS and propaganda that does nothing to help the Jewish people only hinder.
Watch it, it only goes for 3 minutes
http://youtu.be/Gsqj3HH4NVk

melanie wrote:The correlation between anti-semitism and anti-zionism is a cleverly thought out propaganda tool of the Zionist.
Are there people who use anti-zionism to feul anti-semitism, absolutely but and this is a big BUT most anti-zionist are not anti-Semitic. I have stated this before and I will say it again, the leading forefront of anti-zionists are Jews. They see it for what it is. They are disgusted. As we all should be if we could relieve ourselves from the BS and propaganda that does nothing to help the Jewsish people only hinder.
Watch it, it only goes for 3 minutes
http://youtu.be/Gsqj3HH4NVk

We live in a time where as a Christian if you speak out against oppression, murder, torture you are labelled a non Christian, just because it happens to be Israeli people perpetrating these acts.

2Timothy3
Explains these types of people, they will call wrong right and they will have no love in their hearts.

Speaking about IDF shill's on the internet, I use a website called Reddit where content works on a up and down vote systems and I kid you not, any time there is anything posted that is critical of Israel it attracts thousands of down votes in a matter of minutes, it is mind boggling the amount of effort they go to to suppress information and to propagate disinformation. The recent events over the last few years have seen a massive increase in this type of activity.

I have spent my entire life, from a small child resisting and speaking against racism.
It is in my opinion the biggest tradegy of our past, the ugliest flaw in the human condition. It repulses me to my core. The suffering that has occurred worldwide throughout history as result of racist ideology is abominable.
I have always done whatever I can do, even in the smallest of ways to combat racism.
I have been placed in a few precarious positions because I spoke up and against racist behaviour. Starting with my dad, who was mortified when his 8 year old daughter told him I was disgusted in his behaviour and I would never be anything like him, to defending my aboriginal friends in High School, even when they didn't have the fight left in them to say anything because they were so used to being ridiculed, to a dear friend of mind, who was told repeatedly 'to go back to her own country' she is Chinese, I defended her and ripped anyone over the coals who dared be so disrespectful. I have again and again spoken out against racism in conversation with peers and friends. I have been ganged up on and ostracised for it.
I had an altercation with 2 gypsy joker bikies who were being racist and aggressive to a young man and everyone else stood by and allowed it. I was told by others I was stupid and could have been hurt. I am ok with that kind of stupid.
My point....
I stand against racism and I stand against Zionism. They do not conflict in any way whatsoever.

So think if it pleases that I am naive, misinformed or what have you but do not presume that my stance is fuelled by anti-semitism which is racism in its glory. I can assure you it is not. Anybody who knows me also knows that there is not a slight chance of my anti-zionism stemming from any underlying racist tendencies. It stems from stance against racism!

I would like to echo Melanie's sentiments, I cannot stand racism and have been the subject of it myself personally many, many times.

Danieltwotwenty wrote:

melanie wrote:The correlation between anti-semitism and anti-zionism is a cleverly thought out propaganda tool of the Zionist.
Are there people who use anti-zionism to feul anti-semitism, absolutely but and this is a big BUT most anti-zionist are not anti-Semitic. I have stated this before and I will say it again, the leading forefront of anti-zionists are Jews. They see it for what it is. They are disgusted. As we all should be if we could relieve ourselves from the BS and propaganda that does nothing to help the Jewsish people only hinder.
Watch it, it only goes for 3 minutes
http://youtu.be/Gsqj3HH4NVk

We live in a time where as a Christian if you speak out against oppression, murder, torture you are labelled a non Christian, just because it happens to be Israeli people perpetrating these acts.

2Timothy3
Explains these types of people, they will call wrong right and they will have no love in their hearts.

Speaking about IDF shill's on the internet, I use a website called Reddit where content works on a up and down vote systems and I kid you not, any time there is anything posted that is critical of Israel it attracts thousands of down votes in a matter of minutes, it is mind boggling the amount of effort they go to to suppress information and to propagate disinformation. The recent events over the last few years have seen a massive increase in this type of activity.

The level of propaganda is alarming and really just as sign of the times. On all sides of the coin, shows me that we are being groomed for 'something'. The west and christians can see how propaganda is rife in Arab/Muslim nations and they are right. What they fail to see is the exact same thing is happening to us. The amount of BS propaganda I have seen on social media regarding Muslims is frightening. The hatred and building aggression is truly scary. Nearly every single post I have come across is false in its claims, showing false pictures, footage ect. I go to great lengths to find the sources and nearly every time they prove to be propaganda. What is found in the comments is everyday, 'normal', Aussie's saying the most hate filled, violent responses.
Whilst both sides are being groomed to hate and fear, the real enemy is coming in like a Trojan horse.

melanie wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:

melanie wrote:The correlation between anti-semitism and anti-zionism is a cleverly thought out propaganda tool of the Zionist.
Are there people who use anti-zionism to feul anti-semitism, absolutely but and this is a big BUT most anti-zionist are not anti-Semitic. I have stated this before and I will say it again, the leading forefront of anti-zionists are Jews. They see it for what it is. They are disgusted. As we all should be if we could relieve ourselves from the BS and propaganda that does nothing to help the Jewsish people only hinder.
Watch it, it only goes for 3 minutes
http://youtu.be/Gsqj3HH4NVk

We live in a time where as a Christian if you speak out against oppression, murder, torture you are labelled a non Christian, just because it happens to be Israeli people perpetrating these acts.

2Timothy3
Explains these types of people, they will call wrong right and they will have no love in their hearts.

Speaking about IDF shill's on the internet, I use a website called Reddit where content works on a up and down vote systems and I kid you not, any time there is anything posted that is critical of Israel it attracts thousands of down votes in a matter of minutes, it is mind boggling the amount of effort they go to to suppress information and to propagate disinformation. The recent events over the last few years have seen a massive increase in this type of activity.

The level of propaganda is alarming and really just as sign of the times. On all sides of the coin, shows me that we are being groomed for 'something'. The west and christians can see how propaganda is rife in Arab/Muslim nations and they are right. What they fail to see is the exact same thing is happening to us. The amount of BS propaganda I have seen on social media regarding Muslims is frightening. The hatred and building aggression is truly scary. Nearly every single post I have come across is false in its claims, showing false pictures, footage ect. I go to great lengths to find the sources and nearly every time they prove to be propaganda. What is found in the comments is everyday, 'normal', Aussie's saying the most hate filled, violent responses.
Whilst both sides are being groomed to hate and fear, the real enemy is coming in like a Trojan horse.

Satan is much more cunning than we give him credit for. He is playing both sides of the fence and turning friends into enemies and brother and sisters against one another.

I like this quote from the show Mash.

Hawkeye: War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
Father Mulcahy: How do you figure, Hawkeye?
Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?
Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe.
Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.

melanie wrote:Watch it, it only goes for 3 minutes http://youtu.be/Gsqj3HH4NVk

OK...I watched the video. I don't understand the point you were trying to make with it. I don't think the man in the video understood what Zionism is, and you may not either.

Criticism of Israel is fine with me: Israel is making the same mistakes we are on gays, abortion, pornography and other matters of morality (such as divorce). Criticize Israel for that and I'll keep the peace. When Oz starts suffering from bus bombings, wholesale murder of innocent families, kidnappings, rocket assaults, and wars with a hostile neighbor who can't possibly be appeased, maybe I'll take you Aussie doves seriously. When Oz is in such a position, then you can show the world how it should be done!

(It has just occured to me that you guys have NO BORDERS! so...no hostile neighbors...too bad...maybe you should just offer to take in all the poor Palestinians held in Israeli jails?) (Don't worry - you'll be safe - the bad Zionists put them there for no good reason.)



Anyway...you guys need to travel. Don't wait until the kids are grown. Travel allows you to get out and see the real world beyond your cushy oceanlocked country. You need to visit Europe, to walk through the seedy parts of Paris where you'll regret not having left your purse at the hotel. You need to visit a concentration camp...seeing one on TV just doesn't cut it. You need to go to a grocery store in France and ask to buy wine only to be told that "Ceci est un commerece musulman!" ...and you need to be walking down the street and have your bum pinched by long-bearded men who then say "pute!" as they feel your behind. How dare you walk around in shorts and a T-shirt!

On second thought, stay where you are. Living in La-La Land must be nice.

FL

Hey, I liked smurfs growing up!

I think FL has had his bum pinched a few too many times. Maybe he should be tied to the front of a vehicle and be used as a human shield instead.

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:

melanie wrote:Watch it, it only goes for 3 minutes http://youtu.be/Gsqj3HH4NVk

OK...I watched the video. I don't understand the point you were trying to make with it. I don't think the man in the video understood what Zionism is, and you may not either.

Criticism of Israel is fine with me: Israel is making the same mistakes we are on gays, abortion, pornography and other matters of morality (such as divorce). Criticize Israel for that and I'll keep the peace. When Oz starts suffering from bus bombings, wholesale murder of innocent families, kidnappings, rocket assaults, and wars with a hostile neighbor who can't possibly be appeased, maybe I'll take you Aussie doves seriously. When Oz is in such a position, then you can show the world how it should be done!

(It has just occured to me that you guys have NO BORDERS! so...no hostile neighbors...too bad...maybe you should just offer to take in all the poor Palestinians held in Israeli jails?) (Don't worry - you'll be safe - the bad Zionists put them there for no good reason.)



Anyway...you guys need to travel. Don't wait until the kids are grown. Travel allows you to get out and see the real world beyond your cushy oceanlocked country. You need to visit Europe, to walk through the seedy parts of Paris where you'll regret not having left your purse at the hotel. You need to visit a concentration camp...seeing one on TV just doesn't cut it. You need to go to a grocery store in France and ask to buy wine only to be told that "Ceci est un commerece musulman!" ...and you need to be walking down the street and have your bum pinched by long-bearded men who then say "pute!" as they feel your behind. How dare you walk around in shorts and a T-shirt!

On second thought, stay where you are. Living in La-La Land must be nice.

FL

Ohh please FL,
You don't understand the point I was making, I think I made it crystal clear. I will say it again anti semitism is not anti zionism. Why did I bring it up? Because of your continual assertion that they are one in the same, but of course anyone who disagrees just doesn't know what their talking about, right? I'm sure you have a much clearer picture than this gentlemen in the video who is Jewish and a holocaust survivor.
Clearly it is yourself who doesn't understand zionism, your post is testament to that. So travelling makes one better acquainted with the nationalistic and political stance of zionism from its establishment, political history to the present day.

Visiting a concentration camp does not make you better versed in political history, it most definitely would be quite an eye opener to human suffering I'm sure. But not the point.
Wishing I left my purse in a hotel room or getting my bum pinched would be very beneficial I'm sure to understanding political history.

Clearly this will go nowhere. If at some time you want to actually have a serious discussion, with valid information then I would be more than happy too. A good place to start would be to read up on the neturei karta. But I'm sure these Jewish folks and Rabbis are not nearly as informed as yourself, I'm not too sure how much they have travelled, but on the plus side some have probably 'visited' a concentration camp.