Evidence for God from Science

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

Kenny wrote:

EssentialSacrifice wrote:

If you knew theism was false, would'nt you become Atheist?

Unnecessary, if, acknowledging there is no theism, why would there even be atheism ? There is no light if everywhere, there is darkness.

My scenario was not about "no theism" it was about if you knew theism was false.

Ken

Here we go again...

Kenny,

You do realize if theism is false, that's the same as saying theism doesn't exist, don't you?

No! As long as there are people who believe God exists, there will be theist.

Ken

That's my point Kenny. Theism is defined as:

belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.

Theism is a belief system. If it's false, that would mean it's not a belief system, and therefore if it's not what it is, it doesn't exist.

Get it? Got it? Good!

Kenny wrote:

Nessa wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Nessa wrote:Frank Turek asks atheists this following question:

"If you knew that Christianity was true, would you become a christian"

So for those of you who are atheists - what would your reply be?

Of course! If you knew theism was false, would'nt you become Atheist?

Ken

Not so

If you said no I still wouldnt be A christian even if I knew christianity was true, then obviously your problem is not just a mere intellectual one


The answer to the question is suppose to help reveal what issue the atheist has with christianity e.g moral or intellectual etc

It does a very poor job of it

Ken

Not so.

If you still wouldnt become a christian even after finding out christianity is true then your problem is not just a mere intellectual one.

RickD wrote: That's my point Kenny. Theism is defined as:

belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.

Theism is a belief system. If it's false, that would mean it's not a belief system, and therefore if it's not what it is, it doesn't exist.

Get it? Got it? Good!

No, if Theism is false that simply makes it a false belief system.

Ken

Nessa wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Nessa wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Nessa wrote:Frank Turek asks atheists this following question:

"If you knew that Christianity was true, would you become a christian"

So for those of you who are atheists - what would your reply be?

Of course! If you knew theism was false, would'nt you become Atheist?

Ken

Not so

If you said no I still wouldnt be A christian even if I knew christianity was true, then obviously your problem is not just a mere intellectual one


The answer to the question is suppose to help reveal what issue the atheist has with christianity e.g moral or intellectual etc

It does a very poor job of it

Ken

Not so.

If you still wouldnt become a christian even after finding out christianity is true then your problem is not just a mere intellectual one.

I guess it depends upon how one defines "Christianity". Also would you mine answering my question?

Ken

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote: That's my point Kenny. Theism is defined as:

belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.

Theism is a belief system. If it's false, that would mean it's not a belief system, and therefore if it's not what it is, it doesn't exist.

Get it? Got it? Good!

No, if Theism is false that simply makes it a false belief system.

Ken

Kenny,

Answer true or false?

Theism is belief in the existence of God or gods?

Kenny wrote:Also would you mine answering my question?

Ken

I thought I just did.

The question is a useful tool in helping to find out why a person is not be a christian.

RickD wrote:

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote: That's my point Kenny. Theism is defined as:

belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.

Theism is a belief system. If it's false, that would mean it's not a belief system, and therefore if it's not what it is, it doesn't exist.

Get it? Got it? Good!

No, if Theism is false that simply makes it a false belief system.

Ken

Kenny,

Answer true or false?

Theism is belief in the existence of God or gods?

True

K

Nessa wrote:

Kenny wrote:Also would you mine answering my question?

Ken

I thought I just did.

The question is a useful tool in helping to find out why a person is not be a christian.

No; my question was, if you found out Theism was false, would you become Atheist?

Ken

Kenny wrote:

Nessa wrote:

Kenny wrote:Also would you mine answering my question?

Ken

I thought I just did.

The question is a useful tool in helping to find out why a person is not be a christian.

No; my question was, if you found out Theism was false, would you become Atheist?

Ken

Yes.
To say no would go against logic and make Christianity irrational

My scenario was not about "no theism" it was about if you knew theism was false

doesn't no theism = theism was false ? If theism was false there would be no theism, therefore no reason to be an atheist

No; my question was, if you found out Theism was false, would you become Atheist?

and why would I become something completely opposite to what I believed, when that belief was (turned out to be) false ? There would be no reason for me to affiliate myself with atheism when the reason for the word (atheism) is falsified.

Can you be a dog catcher if there aren't any dogs... even if you never believed there were dogs ? And if, we were to find out there never were any dogs, why would you call yourself an antidog catcher ?... after finding out the idea of dogs was false ?

EssentialSacrifice wrote:

My scenario was not about "no theism" it was about if you knew theism was false

doesn't no theism = theism was false ? If theism was false there would be no theism, therefore no reason to be an atheist

No; my question was, if you found out Theism was false, would you become Atheist?

and why would I become something completely opposite to what I believed, when that belief was (turned out to be) false ? There would be no reason for me to affiliate myself with atheism when the reason for the word (atheism) is falsified.

Can you be a dog catcher if there aren't any dogs... even if you never believed there were dogs ? And if, we were to find out there never were any dogs, why would you call yourself an antidog catcher ?... after finding out the idea of dogs was false ?

I had heard WLC give the "yes" response to someone but I guess I can see your point.

Kind of like when harris, hitchens and dawkins say they don't like the word atheism cos it's not like there's any word to describe someone who doesn't believe in santa or the tooth fairy

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote: That's my point Kenny. Theism is defined as:

belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.

Theism is a belief system. If it's false, that would mean it's not a belief system, and therefore if it's not what it is, it doesn't exist.

Get it? Got it? Good!

No, if Theism is false that simply makes it a false belief system.

Ken

Kenny,

Answer true or false?

Theism is belief in the existence of God or gods?

True

K

Very Good. You're learning at your own pace, but you're still learning.

Nessa wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Nessa wrote:

Kenny wrote:Also would you mine answering my question?

Ken

I thought I just did.

The question is a useful tool in helping to find out why a person is not be a christian.

No; my question was, if you found out Theism was false, would you become Atheist?

Ken

Yes.
To say no would go against logic and make Christianity irrational

It would make your belief irrational. A religion can be a rational belief for a person even if that religion is false.

Ken

My scenario was not about "no theism" it was about if you knew theism was false

EssentialSacrifice wrote:doesn't no theism = theism was false ?

No it does not.
No theism: means nobody believes in God. Weather God exists or not is irrelevant.
Theism is false: Means of all the people who believe in various Gods, they are all wrong because God does not exist.

EssentialSacrifice wrote:If theism was false there would be no theism, therefore no reason to be an atheist

Going by that logic, if (for example) Hinduism were a false religion, Hindus would not exist. The fact that India has a billion of 'em proves just because something is false doesn't mean there will not be those who believe it to be true.

Ken

RickD wrote: Very Good. You're learning at your own pace, but you're still learning.

I've learned nothing from you thus far. If you wanna see me to learn something, you need to seriously up your game!

Ken