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Re: Hillary's Ticking Timebomb

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:57 am
by edwardmurphy
abelcainsbrother wrote:Yeah I've heard that political mantra before basically anyone who is against illegal immigration especially when we have islamic terrorism going on in the west and our border is open to them too is a racist.
If you heard that it was from a social conservative using it as a straw man. If all you want is to be offended then great, there you go. If, however, you want to actually understand how real, living, breathing, contemporary, mainstream liberals see things then that garbage is worse than useless.
abelcainsbrother wrote:Everyday we hear about more terrorist attacks just like in Germany New years eve night when German women were raped by some of these muslim refugees that were allowed to enter Germany and the German government told the women that were raped they needed to cover up more and dress more covered up.Or the Islamic terrorist in France a day or two ago who pulled a knife shouted Allah ak.. and was shot dead by police.


We also hear about non-Muslim Americans going on kill-crazy rampages all the time, but for some reason that's not a big deal. Why is it that conservatives worry so much more about the remote possibility of getting shot by a Muslim than the much greater possibility of getting shot by a fellow American with no ties to Islam whatsoever? Why is there so little concern about the American terrorist who shot up that Planned Parenthood clinic?
abelcainsbrother wrote:Trump is winning and that political correctness your talking will not work.
If Latino voters are perceiving Republican talking points and policies as racist then politically correct liberals have nothing to do with it - the issue is between the Republicans and the voters that they're offending. Personally I find the whole thing delightful, so I hope they keep it up. Trump 2016!

Also, the political correctness that you're attacking is yet another straw man constructed by social conservatives. It's odd, really. You seem like a nice enough guy, but you have this weird blind spot there. All political correctness actually says is "don't be a racist, homophobic, misogynistic a-hole," and the reason that's being said is that for a long, long, long time a lot of (mostly) white, Anglo-Saxon, Christian guys behaved that way with no consequences. Don't believe me? Look at Martin and Sinatra on stage making racist cracks about Sammy Davis Jr to standing ovations. Check out some TV shows from the 50's and 60's. Think about Archie Bunker and how many guys you've met who are just like him. Consider the massive success of the comedy of Andrew Dice Clay or the music of 2 Live Crew. Watch this actual, real Goodyear commercial and consider how it might feel to be a woman living in a culture that would put that on television. Add it all together and you wind up with a lot of people - the majority, in fact - who feel insulted and marginalized and are pretty angry about it. The result is push back, and the form that it took is political correctness.

Does PC ever go overboard? Yes, obviously, it does. I recall the story of a manager who told his staff that money was tight and they'd have to be "niggardly" with their spending that year. His staff complained about his racism, and he got canned, despite the fact that the word "niggardly" means "stingy," has roots on Old Norse, and has no racial connotations whatsoever. So yeah, a guy got canned due to a knee-jerk, PC freak-out. That's stupid and wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that it's not okay to be a racist, homophobic, misogynistic a-hole, at least if you're at work.

Re: Hillary's Ticking Timebomb

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:09 pm
by Hortator
Racism
Did I step into a portal to 2005? This issue has been dealt with: there's no more time to worry about hurt feelings when the barbarians are at the gates and Rome is burning.

Re: Hillary's Ticking Timebomb

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:32 pm
by abelcainsbrother
edwardmurphy wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:Yeah I've heard that political mantra before basically anyone who is against illegal immigration especially when we have islamic terrorism going on in the west and our border is open to them too is a racist.
If you heard that it was from a social conservative using it as a straw man. If all you want is to be offended then great, there you go. If, however, you want to actually understand how real, living, breathing, contemporary, mainstream liberals see things then that garbage is worse than useless.
abelcainsbrother wrote:Everyday we hear about more terrorist attacks just like in Germany New years eve night when German women were raped by some of these muslim refugees that were allowed to enter Germany and the German government told the women that were raped they needed to cover up more and dress more covered up.Or the Islamic terrorist in France a day or two ago who pulled a knife shouted Allah ak.. and was shot dead by police.


We also hear about non-Muslim Americans going on kill-crazy rampages all the time, but for some reason that's not a big deal. Why is it that conservatives worry so much more about the remote possibility of getting shot by a Muslim than the much greater possibility of getting shot by a fellow American with no ties to Islam whatsoever? Why is there so little concern about the American terrorist who shot up that Planned Parenthood clinic?
abelcainsbrother wrote:Trump is winning and that political correctness your talking will not work.
If Latino voters are perceiving Republican talking points and policies as racist then politically correct liberals have nothing to do with it - the issue is between the Republicans and the voters that they're offending. Personally I find the whole thing delightful, so I hope they keep it up. Trump 2016!

Also, the political correctness that you're attacking is yet another straw man constructed by social conservatives. It's odd, really. You seem like a nice enough guy, but you have this weird blind spot there. All political correctness actually says is "don't be a racist, homophobic, misogynistic a-hole," and the reason that's being said is that for a long, long, long time a lot of (mostly) white, Anglo-Saxon, Christian guys behaved that way with no consequences. Don't believe me? Look at Martin and Sinatra on stage making racist cracks about Sammy Davis Jr to standing ovations. Check out some TV shows from the 50's and 60's. Think about Archie Bunker and how many guys you've met who are just like him. Consider the massive success of the comedy of Andrew Dice Clay or the music of 2 Live Crew. Watch this actual, real Goodyear commercial and consider how it might feel to be a woman living in a culture that would put that on television. Add it all together and you wind up with a lot of people - the majority, in fact - who feel insulted and marginalized and are pretty angry about it. The result is push back, and the form that it took is political correctness.

Does PC ever go overboard? Yes, obviously, it does. I recall the story of a manager who told his staff that money was tight and they'd have to be "niggardly" with their spending that year. His staff complained about his racism, and he got canned, despite the fact that the word "niggardly" means "stingy," has roots on Old Norse, and has no racial connotations whatsoever. So yeah, a guy got canned due to a knee-jerk, PC freak-out. That's stupid and wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that it's not okay to be a racist, homophobic, misogynistic a-hole, at least if you're at work.
Go ahead and keep focusing on things that are not really important to the American people which is what Hillary is doing. Hillary and the media are talking about things that are not as important to the American people.

The majority of Americans are concerned about security from Islamic terrorism and security at the border,they know that terrorists could come across our border at anytime fully armed to do serious harm while Hillary,Obama and the media is focusing on things that are not as important which is why Trump is winning and being politically correct is not working.Trump laughs if you call him a bigot or racist and it does not phase him,it only makes him look better as a candidate and Hilllary cannot do a 180 and all of a sudden act like she's gonna be tough with terrorists.

Trump is shreading the media everytime they inteview him with their PC attitude and Hillary when she attacks Trump,she starts it and Trump finishes it and then Hillary does'nt want to discuss it.Which is why Trump is leading.The majority of hispanic men even support Trump and agree with him on the border,the Democrat party is worried about it too.Obama knows that hispanic men are supporting Trump.

Trump is on a very solid footing to win in a landslide right now however he is going to have to overcome attacks from both the Democrat Party and Republican Party but it does not look like anything will stop him. Iowa is alittle concern for him because the polls are closer between Trump and Cruz but besides that Hillary cannot beat Trump if he can get through both attacks coming. I think he can.People love Trump and he is gaining popularity the more people look into the candidates.I'm becoming a Trump supporter.

Re: Hillary's Ticking Timebomb

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:32 pm
by abelcainsbrother
edwardmurphy wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:Yeah I've heard that political mantra before basically anyone who is against illegal immigration especially when we have islamic terrorism going on in the west and our border is open to them too is a racist.
If you heard that it was from a social conservative using it as a straw man. If all you want is to be offended then great, there you go. If, however, you want to actually understand how real, living, breathing, contemporary, mainstream liberals see things then that garbage is worse than useless.
abelcainsbrother wrote:Everyday we hear about more terrorist attacks just like in Germany New years eve night when German women were raped by some of these muslim refugees that were allowed to enter Germany and the German government told the women that were raped they needed to cover up more and dress more covered up.Or the Islamic terrorist in France a day or two ago who pulled a knife shouted Allah ak.. and was shot dead by police.


We also hear about non-Muslim Americans going on kill-crazy rampages all the time, but for some reason that's not a big deal. Why is it that conservatives worry so much more about the remote possibility of getting shot by a Muslim than the much greater possibility of getting shot by a fellow American with no ties to Islam whatsoever? Why is there so little concern about the American terrorist who shot up that Planned Parenthood clinic?
abelcainsbrother wrote:Trump is winning and that political correctness your talking will not work.
If Latino voters are perceiving Republican talking points and policies as racist then politically correct liberals have nothing to do with it - the issue is between the Republicans and the voters that they're offending. Personally I find the whole thing delightful, so I hope they keep it up. Trump 2016!

Also, the political correctness that you're attacking is yet another straw man constructed by social conservatives. It's odd, really. You seem like a nice enough guy, but you have this weird blind spot there. All political correctness actually says is "don't be a racist, homophobic, misogynistic a-hole," and the reason that's being said is that for a long, long, long time a lot of (mostly) white, Anglo-Saxon, Christian guys behaved that way with no consequences. Don't believe me? Look at Martin and Sinatra on stage making racist cracks about Sammy Davis Jr to standing ovations. Check out some TV shows from the 50's and 60's. Think about Archie Bunker and how many guys you've met who are just like him. Consider the massive success of the comedy of Andrew Dice Clay or the music of 2 Live Crew. Watch this actual, real Goodyear commercial and consider how it might feel to be a woman living in a culture that would put that on television. Add it all together and you wind up with a lot of people - the majority, in fact - who feel insulted and marginalized and are pretty angry about it. The result is push back, and the form that it took is political correctness.

Does PC ever go overboard? Yes, obviously, it does. I recall the story of a manager who told his staff that money was tight and they'd have to be "niggardly" with their spending that year. His staff complained about his racism, and he got canned, despite the fact that the word "niggardly" means "stingy," has roots on Old Norse, and has no racial connotations whatsoever. So yeah, a guy got canned due to a knee-jerk, PC freak-out. That's stupid and wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that it's not okay to be a racist, homophobic, misogynistic a-hole, at least if you're at work.
Go ahead and keep focusing on things that are not really important to the American people which is what Hillary is doing. Hillary and the media are talking about things that are not as important to the American people.

The majority of Americans are concerned about security from Islamic terrorism and security at the border,they know that terrorists could come across our border at anytime fully armed to do serious harm while Hillary,Obama and the media is focusing on things that are not as important which is why Trump is winning and being politically correct is not working.Trump laughs if you call him a bigot or racist and it does not phase him,it only makes him look better as a candidate and Hilllary cannot do a 180 and all of a sudden act like she's gonna be tough with terrorists.

Trump is shreading the media everytime they inteview him with their PC attitude and Hillary when she attacks Trump,she starts it and Trump finishes it and then Hillary does'nt want to discuss it.Which is why Trump is leading.The majority of hispanic men even support Trump and agree with him on the border,the Democrat party is worried about it too.Obama knows that hispanic men are supporting Trump.

Trump is on a very solid footing to win in a landslide right now however he is going to have to overcome attacks from both the Democrat Party and Republican Party but it does not look like anything will stop him. Iowa is alittle concern for him because the polls are closer between Trump and Cruz but besides that Hillary cannot beat Trump if he can get through both attacks coming. I think he can.People love Trump and he is gaining popularity the more people look into the candidates.I'm becoming a Trump supporter.