Evidence for God from Science

Ed: Christianity would have spread like wildfire.

Ed: People who have been dead for days don't come back to life. If they did then the miracle wouldn't have been a miracle and Jesus doing it wouldn't have mattered. So no, I personally don't believe that it may be true.

Ed: Wasn't the shroud found to be a forgery from the Late Middle Ages or something? You know, back when every church needed to have a hunk of a saint on display? So if you didn't have Paul's shinbone, John's left thumb, George's testicle, or a tooth from the lion that disemboweled Ringo then you wouldn't get any pilgrims or donations, so you'd be stuck in a dark, crappy little chapel when everyone else was getting a massive Gothic wonder-church?

edwardmurphy wrote:

Storyteller wrote:To be fair though Ken, are they really likely to admit that?

YES!!!

Are you kidding? If you kill a guy and he comes back from the dead to say that you were wrong to do it but he forgives you that's going to make an impression. If he was really wandering around the Levant magically curing diseases, walking on water, resurrecting dead people, and shrugging off crucifixion it would be reasonable to expect him to gain an immediate, gigantic, fanatical following. I'm as skeptical as they come, but I'd damn sure accept Jesus's claim of divinity after watching him conjure a bakery and a school of fish out of thin air or bring a corpse back to life. Normal people can't do that now and they couldn't do it then either. Anybody who can is completely unique, amazing, and kind of terrifying.

For that matter, if he was really performing magic all over the place the Jewish priests wouldn't have doubted his claim and had him crucified. Someone who really, truly, literally had magical superpowers would have inspired awe and amazement in everyone he saw wherever he went. If I'm understanding things correctly the rabbis basically said "This guy can do actual magic and he says he's the son of our god, but he's obviously full of crap so we'd better have him killed to protect the status quo." That's ridiculous. What they'd have actually done is screamed "HOLY CRAP, GOD'S HERE!" and hit their knees.

Remember, the Christian position (at least as I understand it) is that god is the only god. All of those other gods weren't real. Those Roman and Greek and Egyptian priests were worshiping empty thrones, so they didn't have any real magic. But Jesus was the real deal. The only real deal. As far as I know he was the first legitimate miracle man since the OT and he could prove it.

So yes, they'd have admitted it. They wouldn't have had a choice. Christianity would have spread like wildfire.

Storyteller wrote:You may not believe Christ did indeed rise from the dead but you have to admit there is some evidence that it may be true.

People who have been dead for days don't come back to life. If they did then the miracle wouldn't have been a miracle and Jesus doing it wouldn't have mattered. So no, I personally don't believe that it may be true.

Storyteller wrote:You may not believe that Christ rose again but the shroud is pretty hard to ignore. I know a lot of people have claimed it`s a fake, why won`t the church allow tests if it`s real, why won`t the church validate it`s authenticity, all that stuff but there is at least, the suggestion, that Christ existed (very few people doubt that) so where is His body? Why does the shroud match with so many details?

Wasn't the shroud found to be a forgery from the Late Middle Ages or something? You know, back when every church needed to have a hunk of a saint on display? So if you didn't have Paul's shinbone, John's left thumb, George's testicle, or a tooth from the lion that disemboweled Ringo then you wouldn't get any pilgrims or donations, so you'd be stuck in a dark, crappy little chapel when everyone else was getting a massive Gothic wonder-church?

Byblos wrote:This is the kind of revisionist fiction one is stuck with when one denies history.

abelcainsbrother wrote:People
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZTC1xVdGOI

edwardmurphy wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:People
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZTC1xVdGOI

That was terrible.

Also, if you want to embed a link you can do the following:

Hit the URL button. You'll get this:

{url}{/url}, only it will be with [ ] instead of { }

Now you have to do some stuff to make it work. The format is as follows:

{url=LINK}TEXT{/url}

Here's an example:

{url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZTC1xVdGOI}This is a terrible song.{/url}

See, that's the proper format, but it didn't work because I used { } rather than [ ]. When I use the correct bracket it looks like this:

This is a terrible song.

Embedded links add pizzazz to your posts.

edwardmurphy wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:People
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZTC1xVdGOI

That was terrible.

Also, if you want to embed a link you can do the following:

Hit the URL button. You'll get this:

{url}{/url}, only it will be with [ ] instead of { }

Now you have to do some stuff to make it work. The format is as follows:

{url=LINK}TEXT{/url

Here's an example:

{url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZTC1xVdGOI}This is a terrible song.{/url}

See, that's the proper format, but it didn't work because I used { } rather than [ ]. When I use the correct bracket it looks like this:

This is a terrible song.

Embedded links add pizzazz to your posts.

abelcainsbrother wrote:There is a reason why I don't embed and it because I want all to be able to click on it and see or hear it. When others embed videos I cannot watch them for some reason. It is not hard to click on it and anybody can hear or see it.

abelcainsbrother wrote:It was the message of the song that I wanted people to hear based on the discussion and it is evidence that the apostles were not doubters about Jesus rising from the dead.

Nessa wrote:

edwardmurphy wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:People
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZTC1xVdGOI

That was terrible.

Also, if you want to embed a link you can do the following:

Hit the URL button. You'll get this:

{url}{/url}, only it will be with [ ] instead of { }

Now you have to do some stuff to make it work. The format is as follows:

{url=LINK}TEXT{/url

Here's an example:

{url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZTC1xVdGOI}This is a terrible song.{/url}

See, that's the proper format, but it didn't work because I used { } rather than [ ]. When I use the correct bracket it looks like this:

This is a terrible song.

Embedded links add pizzazz to your posts.

It wasn't Apologetix finest moment...

edwardmurphy wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:There is a reason why I don't embed and it because I want all to be able to click on it and see or hear it. When others embed videos I cannot watch them for some reason. It is not hard to click on it and anybody can hear or see it.

Really? So the embedded link I posted didn't work for you? What browser are you using?

abelcainsbrother wrote:It was the message of the song that I wanted people to hear based on the discussion and it is evidence that the apostles were not doubters about Jesus rising from the dead.

You could have just said that in the first place. For future reference, linking a terrible parody of a terrible song is never the right move.

abelcainsbrother wrote:Does it matter what browser I'm using?

abelcainsbrother wrote:I realize we all don't like the same kind of music,but some like it.

abelcainsbrother wrote:That is a parody of a popular rock song. You don't like Rock music?

edwardmurphy wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:Does it matter what browser I'm using?

If embedded links don't work for you then yeah, your choice of browser could be a factor.

abelcainsbrother wrote:I realize we all don't like the same kind of music,but some like it.

Fair enough. I'll shut up about it.

abelcainsbrother wrote:That is a parody of a popular rock song. You don't like Rock music?

I don't like parody songs, Christian music, or the Butthole Surfers, so that song hit the trifecta.

And I'm back to shutting up about it...

edwardmurphy wrote:

Byblos wrote:This is the kind of revisionist fiction one is stuck with when one denies history.

You're welcome to correct my many apparent misconceptions.

Wasn't the shroud found to be a forgery from the Late Middle Ages or something?

You're welcome to correct my many apparent misconceptions.

Kenny wrote:

Storyteller wrote:To be fair though Ken, are they really likely to admit that?

Roman records from Jesus time exist even to today. What was Rome during that time is now the most Christian place on Earth. If the home of the Catholic Church (Roman area) had proof of Jesus rising from the dead I doubt they would be reluctant to admit that.