Evidence for God from Science

Audie wrote:
Capitalism and science, btw, has done far more for humanity than any /all religions.

Which, if they were not created in spite of Christianity, then they must surely have been created because of Christianity, another point I was implying. There is surely a connection between America, the most Christian nation ever, and it's status as a global force for good.

Hortator wrote:

Audie wrote:
Capitalism and science, btw, has done far more for humanity than any /all religions.

Which, if they were not created in spite of Christianity, then they must surely have been created because of Christianity, another point I was implying. There is surely a connection between America, the most Christian nation ever, and it's status as a global force for good.

Is there a connection between America's Christianity and
its constant military interventions at home and abroad?

The USA went to war in Asia, over and over, to spread virtue?

Audie wrote:

Hortator wrote:

Audie wrote:
Capitalism and science, btw, has done far more for humanity than any /all religions.

Which, if they were not created in spite of Christianity, then they must surely have been created because of Christianity, another point I was implying. There is surely a connection between America, the most Christian nation ever, and it's status as a global force for good.

Is there a connection between America's Christianity and
its constant military interventions at home and abroad?

The USA went to war in Asia, over and over, to spread virtue?

Of course Audie. If you read the bible you'd know that Christ called for not only military intervention, but he also called for his followers to convert the world to Christianity, or kill those who won't convert.

Oh wait. Silly me, I've gotten my religions mixed up again.

RickD wrote:

Audie wrote:

Hortator wrote:

Audie wrote:
Capitalism and science, btw, has done far more for humanity than any /all religions.

Which, if they were not created in spite of Christianity, then they must surely have been created because of Christianity, another point I was implying. There is surely a connection between America, the most Christian nation ever, and it's status as a global force for good.

Is there a connection between America's Christianity and
its constant military interventions at home and abroad?

The USA went to war in Asia, over and over, to spread virtue?

Of course Audie. If you read the bible you'd know that Christ called for not only military intervention, but he also called for his followers to convert the world to Christianity, or kill those who won't convert.

Oh wait. Silly me, I've gotten my religions mixed up again.

Yeah, its them terrorists who are the global source of goodness.

Audie wrote:Capitalism and science, btw, has done far more for humanity than any /all religions.

How Christianity created capitalism article

The left in this country hates capitalism due to the Christian work ethic and seeks to destroy capitalism due to its historical roots.

Like anything, unscrupulous folks can turn good into something evil. Unbridled capitalism leads to crony capitalism (megalithic monopolies enforced by a Governmental body). Socialism in all forms is simply crony capitalism in various experiments that all fail.

Free Market idea is based on work ethic and the ability of grace to have freedom to make your own wealth or not. With it, comes the exploitation to greed or the use of wealth as God intended, which is not socialism. Should I educate you on the principle of the Storehouse tithe?

Problem is that all people miss the mark of the high calling of God and screw things up. Have not you messed things up?

People warp the gifts and callings of God to exploit and game them for self benefit. This is called a sin nature. Are you perfect, pure as the drive snow or not answers the question if such a thing as a sin nature exist.

God gave us a cure for the human sin nature called the atoning work of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection. This is not a myth, nor was it designed by human agency.

When Jesus was betrayed, sold for silver, put on trial, mocked, bore false witness, spat upon, beaten, hated, had his possessions stolen from his body and gambled away, denied, friends abandon him, and crucified made a public spectacle of what sin really is by what it does to goodness. So, Audie, how was your goodness robbed from you and by who and why do you keep spreading the same robbing around?

By making exposing the sin nature, God deals it a death blow by the cross of Christ, erasing the debt we owe others and God for all our betrayals, selling for silver, putting on trial, mocking, bearing false witness, spitting upon others, beating down others, hatred, bitterness, stealing away possessions form others and gambling these away, denying, our abandoning people close to us, crucify others, our selfish pride. Everything that makes life ugly around us. All our seeking a scapegoat to blame so we do not have to take responsibility for our actions whether it be God, or another human being

Read Isaiah 61:1-4 soon Audie. Jesus will prove how real he is by working those things mentioned in that text in your life. That is your proof. Intellectual arguments are mere scapegoat reason to remain as one is. Why do you keep resisting Him putting him on trial demanding he must dance to your tunes or else you will not believe (trust) in Him to save you from yourself? How selfish is that?

With true biblical Christianity - one finds freedom and the power to endure what life tosses at you where science, philosophy alone cannot. This is foreign to you but it does not have to be.

Luke 18:9,10,11,12,13,14 explains how this is done - coming to Christ Jesus just as you are...

This was God coming in human flesh to reveal these things to us before that cross, during that cross, and after that cross- what manner of love would reduce himself to be mocked beaten, denied, abandoned, lied about, put on trial, etc and etc in order to wake people up that they can have a Savior to redeem them from their own shame they keep creating.
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B. W. wrote:

Audie wrote:Capitalism and science, btw, has done far more for humanity than any /all religions.

How Christianity created capitalism article

The left in this country hates capitalism due to the Christian work ethic and seeks to destroy capitalism due to its historical roots.

Like anything, unscrupulous folks can turn good into something evil. Unbridled capitalism leads to crony capitalism (megalithic monopolies enforced by a Governmental body). Socialism in all forms is simply crony capitalism in various experiments that all fail.

Free Market idea is based on work ethic and the ability of grace to have freedom to make your own wealth or not. With it, comes the exploitation to greed or the use of wealth as God intended, which is not socialism. Should I educate you on the principle of the Storehouse tithe?

Problem is that all people miss the mark of the high calling of God and screw things up. Have not you messed things up?

People warp the gifts and callings of God to exploit and game them for self benefit. This is called a sin nature. Are you perfect, pure as the drive snow or not answers the question if such a thing as a sin nature exist.

God gave us a cure for the human sin nature called the atoning work of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection. This is not a myth, nor was it designed by human agency.

When Jesus was betrayed, sold for silver, put on trial, mocked, bore false witness, spat upon, beaten, hated, had his possessions stolen from his body and gambled away, denied, friends abandon him, and crucified made a public spectacle of what sin really is by what it does to goodness. So, Audie, how was your goodness robbed from you and by who and why do you keep spreading the same robbing around?

By making exposing the sin nature, God deals it a death blow by the cross of Christ, erasing the debt we owe others and God for all our betrayals, selling for silver, putting on trial, mocking, bearing false witness, spitting upon others, beating down others, hatred, bitterness, stealing away possessions form others and gambling these away, denying, our abandoning people close to us, crucify others, our selfish pride. Everything that makes life ugly around us. All our seeking a scapegoat to blame so we do not have to take responsibility for our actions whether it be God, or another human being

Read Isaiah 61:1-4 soon Audie. Jesus will prove how real he is by working those things mentioned in that text in your life. That is your proof. Intellectual arguments are mere scapegoat reason to remain as one is. Why do you keep resisting Him putting him on trial demanding he must dance to your tunes or else you will not believe (trust) in Him to save you from yourself? How selfish is that?

With true biblical Christianity - one finds freedom and the power to endure what life tosses at you where science, philosophy alone cannot. This is foreign to you but it does not have to be.

Luke 18:9,10,11,12,13,14 explains how this is done - coming to Christ Jesus just as you are...

This was God coming in human flesh to reveal these things to us before that cross, during that cross, and after that cross- what manner of love would reduce himself to be mocked beaten, denied, abandoned, lied about, put on trial, etc and etc in order to wake people up that they can have a Savior to redeem them from their own shame they keep creating.
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I think you are misreading the left, much as they self* righteously misread the right.

Ironicalistically for both sides, the success of capitalism provides
for the emergence of progressive values. See T. Roosevelt for
"progressive" values.

If you wish to discuss Audie, you may pm me or do so elsewhere than
this thread, whivh is about something else.. ;D

crochet1949 wrote:But if there's one thing we Don't deserve or need it's to be considered as morally superior to anyone. Cause we're Not. The higher the pedestal the harder the fall down.

.....06Jun16.....Just as one would ' not ' enter into a dark alley at night ( especially after midnight ) to seek directions from anyone who is lingering there, so tooooooo Christians should NOT pay attention to the devils that makeup ISIS. These despicable beings belong in a group much, much further down the list from the Philistines that Jesus spoke off.
PS: Besides, they are hypocrites to the highest degree.................Go figure.....BobLoblah

BobLoblah wrote:

crochet1949 wrote:But if there's one thing we Don't deserve or need it's to be considered as morally superior to anyone. Cause we're Not. The higher the pedestal the harder the fall down.

.....06Jun16.....Just as one would ' not ' enter into a dark alley at night ( especially after midnight ) to seek directions from anyone who is lingering there, so tooooooo Christians should NOT pay attention to the devils that makeup ISIS. These despicable beings belong in a group much, much further down the list from the Philistines that Jesus spoke off.
PS: Besides, they are hypocrites to the highest degree.................Go figure.....BobLoblah

And where do you belong on the list, Bob?

BobLoblah wrote:

crochet1949 wrote:But if there's one thing we Don't deserve or need it's to be considered as morally superior to anyone. Cause we're Not. The higher the pedestal the harder the fall down.

.....06Jun16.....Just as one would ' not ' enter into a dark alley at night ( especially after midnight ) to seek directions from anyone who is lingering there, so tooooooo Christians should NOT pay attention to the devils that makeup ISIS. These despicable beings belong in a group much, much further down the list from the Philistines that Jesus spoke off.
PS: Besides, they are hypocrites to the highest degree.................Go figure.....BobLoblah

I've missed a connection somewhere -- or maybe it's just getting Late where I am. How did ISIS get into the mix. "Christians should NOT pay attention to the devils that make-up ISIS."

Audie wrote:

Hortator wrote:

Audie wrote:
Who would guess Xtians would think that.

(Imply, not infer, btw)

I believe that my world view is superior....

....just as you do. Otherwise, you would change it.

We both strive for moral excellence, in one way or another. It's just, this website brings attention to the many triumphs of Christianity, and the many downfalls of secular ideology in a critical manner that make it almost impossible to deny both facts in my mind.

That sounded a bit like rambling, I'll have more coherent thoughts tomorrow

I hope you will do better tomorrow, for sure, I 've come to expect far better from you.
The post I responded to was a load of manure, and putting it off onto me in this post did not help at all.

Capitalism and science, btw, has done far more for humanity than any /all religions.

Well, that honestly depends on which side of Capitalism and science you view. For example, one great thing about Capitalism is the ability for anyone to have the opportunity to succeed, but a very big downside to Capitalism is the eventual creation of monopolies; which means that one company controls all of a specific good, thus choking the free market, and making it extremely hard for others to succeed in said market. As for science, it has gifted us many wonderful technological advancements and brought us a new understanding of the world. However, a downside of science would be something such as nuclear weaponry, which gives man the capability to destroy himself, literally.

One of the biggest stumbling blocks to accepting Christ for me was the thought I would have to be a "Christian" My pre conceived ideas were of that happy clappy, always smiley, see the good in all, find a bible quote for everything, its Godsway type.

Took me a while to realise I dont stop being me because I trust Christ. All yhe things people likeabout me have been enhanced by Christ. He minimises the bad in me too.

I am proud to say im Christian buttotaally get why for some, thats worse than hell.