Evidence for God from Science

Kurieuo wrote:Now ACB has a gap buddy.

Jeremiah was given a vision of the Genesis 1:2 earth in this state and he clarifies what happened to make the earth like this, "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger." (Jeremiah 4:23-26). It is often claimed that Jeremiah is speaking of the land of Israel, not the whole earth. But Jeremiah beheld the earth and saw that it was WITHOUT FORM (without a solid structure). It was filled with water. The mountains and hills in this vision must then have been underwate

PaulSacramento wrote:You are reading a view into this and not allowing what was written to say what it says.
Not very good exegetes.

Jeremiah did NOT see underwater mountains or he would have said so.
There must have been land because there was a"fruitful place in the wilderness".
So what did Jeremiah mean when He said that he beheld the Earth without Form , it was void and the heavens had no light?

Kurieuo wrote:I agree with your without form post, earth being coated with water early on. Though that's what science tells me, and appears to be supported in Scripture. As for Earth becoming desolate, such is eisegesis.

jalvarez4Jesus wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:You are reading a view into this and not allowing what was written to say what it says.
Not very good exegetes.

Jeremiah did NOT see underwater mountains or he would have said so.
There must have been land because there was a"fruitful place in the wilderness".
So what did Jeremiah mean when He said that he beheld the Earth without Form , it was void and the heavens had no light?

You're missing the whole point. Just think: what does "without form" mean? In Genesis 1:2, the meaning is plain -- there was no solid structure or form to the earth. It was just a big mass of water. You couldn't stand on something without form. That is verified by the fact that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the WATERS. Apply that to Jeremiah. Jeremiah says he saw the earth WITHOUT FORM. This means without any solid structure. He saw a bunch of water. Ergo, the only mountains he could see must have been under the water. If they were above the water, then he could not describe the earth as being WITHOUT FORM. The mountains would have been FORM enough! And the fruitful place WHICH BECAME A WILDERNESS according to the KJV would also be underwater, otherwise the earth would have had some "form". God gave Jeremiah that vision to tell Israel of His power to destroy evildoers, that is true. But it is also true that this is a vision of the earth at Genesis 1:2. And at Genesis 1:2, the earth was destroyed because of sin. Ergo, gap.

jalvarez4Jesus wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:I agree with your without form post, earth being coated with water early on. Though that's what science tells me, and appears to be supported in Scripture. As for Earth becoming desolate, such is eisegesis.

It's not eisegesis. It's plainly taught in Jeremiah 4. And Jeremiah beheld the earth that it was without form and void (watery). He couldn't have been talking about the land of Israel. He was talking about the Genesis 1:2 earth.

22 The Lord answered,

“This will happen because my people are foolish.
They do not know me.
They are like children who have no sense.
They have no understanding.
They are skilled at doing evil.
They do not know how to do good.”
23 “I looked at the land and saw that it was an empty wasteland.
I looked up at the sky, and its light had vanished.
24 I looked at the mountains and saw that they were shaking.
All the hills were swaying back and forth!
25 I looked and saw that there were no more people,
and that all the birds in the sky had flown away.
26 I looked and saw that the fruitful land had become a desert
and that all of the cities had been laid in ruins.
The Lord had brought this all about
because of his blazing anger.
27 All this will happen because the Lord said,
“The whole land will be desolate;
however, I will not completely destroy it.
28 Because of this the land will mourn
and the sky above will grow black.
For I have made my purpose known
and I will not relent or turn back from carrying it out.”
29 At the sound of the approaching horsemen and archers
the people of every town will flee.
Some of them will hide in the thickets.
Others will climb up among the rocks.
All the cities will be deserted.
No one will remain in them.
30 And you, Zion, city doomed to destruction,
you accomplish nothing by wearing a beautiful dress,
decking yourself out in jewels of gold,
and putting on eye shadow!
You are making yourself beautiful for nothing.
Your lovers spurn you.
They want to kill you.
31 In fact, I hear a cry like that of a woman in labor,
a cry of anguish like that of a woman giving birth to her first baby.
It is the cry of Daughter Zion gasping for breath,
reaching out for help, saying, “I am done in!
My life is ebbing away before these murderers!”

PaulSacramento wrote:

jalvarez4Jesus wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:You are reading a view into this and not allowing what was written to say what it says.
Not very good exegetes.

Jeremiah did NOT see underwater mountains or he would have said so.
There must have been land because there was a"fruitful place in the wilderness".
So what did Jeremiah mean when He said that he beheld the Earth without Form , it was void and the heavens had no light?

You're missing the whole point. Just think: what does "without form" mean? In Genesis 1:2, the meaning is plain -- there was no solid structure or form to the earth. It was just a big mass of water. You couldn't stand on something without form. That is verified by the fact that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the WATERS. Apply that to Jeremiah. Jeremiah says he saw the earth WITHOUT FORM. This means without any solid structure. He saw a bunch of water. Ergo, the only mountains he could see must have been under the water. If they were above the water, then he could not describe the earth as being WITHOUT FORM. The mountains would have been FORM enough! And the fruitful place WHICH BECAME A WILDERNESS according to the KJV would also be underwater, otherwise the earth would have had some "form". God gave Jeremiah that vision to tell Israel of His power to destroy evildoers, that is true. But it is also true that this is a vision of the earth at Genesis 1:2. And at Genesis 1:2, the earth was destroyed because of sin. Ergo, gap.

I think you are missing the KEY point and that is the WHOLE CONTEXT of that Chapter.
Please re-read Chapter 4.