Evidence for God from Science

Kenny wrote:

B. W. wrote:What began in jest, well, let's see what folks think of these articles:

In the early church history, yes Christians were called atheist:

Christians are Atheists

Accusations

Later that cold ecumenicalism crept in philosophic realms of Christian thought in the 1700 time frame and then into full gear, especially after World War One, and thus what you have is... a sort of liberal Unitarian belief system...

Christian atheism is a theological position in which the belief in the transcendent or interventionist God is rejected or absent in favor of finding God totally in the world (Thomas J. J. Altizer) or following Jesus in a godless world (William Hamilton). Hamilton's Christian atheism is similar to Jesuism.

So there you have it...
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So are you saying a Christian atheist is one who follows the philosophical teachings of Jesus, but do not worship him or any other deity as God?

Ken

Kurieuo wrote:A related thought, such probably wouldn't be much different from many Christians who claim to believe in God, except when out socially, in the work place or the like, they run and hide, remain silent and like whenever God or Christianity is raised like such is something to be ashamed of.

Kenny wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:A related thought, such probably wouldn't be much different from many Christians who claim to believe in God, except when out socially, in the work place or the like, they run and hide, remain silent and like whenever God or Christianity is raised like such is something to be ashamed of.

I wouldn't judge those who don't discuss religion in public or at work, I know where I work religious talk is frowned upon, and in some cases forbidden. A Christian once told a Jewish man that he and all Jews were going to hell and quoted scriptures from the bible to back up his claim. The Jewish man was offended and a shouting match resulted. Since then and after a few other incidents of expressed religious beliefs; the Human Resources department has put those engaging in offensive religious conversations on notice. Now they don't run and hide their religious beliefs, they just know they can't discuss them at work.

Kurieuo wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:A related thought, such probably wouldn't be much different from many Christians who claim to believe in God, except when out socially, in the work place or the like, they run and hide, remain silent and like whenever God or Christianity is raised like such is something to be ashamed of.

I wouldn't judge those who don't discuss religion in public or at work, I know where I work religious talk is frowned upon, and in some cases forbidden. A Christian once told a Jewish man that he and all Jews were going to hell and quoted scriptures from the bible to back up his claim. The Jewish man was offended and a shouting match resulted. Since then and after a few other incidents of expressed religious beliefs; the Human Resources department has put those engaging in offensive religious conversations on notice. Now they don't run and hide their religious beliefs, they just know they can't discuss them at work.

Sad. (Colossians 4:6)

Kenny wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:A related thought, such probably wouldn't be much different from many Christians who claim to believe in God, except when out socially, in the work place or the like, they run and hide, remain silent and like whenever God or Christianity is raised like such is something to be ashamed of.

I wouldn't judge those who don't discuss religion in public or at work, I know where I work religious talk is frowned upon, and in some cases forbidden. A Christian once told a Jewish man that he and all Jews were going to hell and quoted scriptures from the bible to back up his claim. The Jewish man was offended and a shouting match resulted. Since then and after a few other incidents of expressed religious beliefs; the Human Resources department has put those engaging in offensive religious conversations on notice. Now they don't run and hide their religious beliefs, they just know they can't discuss them at work.

Sad. (Colossians 4:6)

Why do you call it sad?

PaulSacramento wrote:Not sure if moral "parasite" is the right term.
It may be a valid description, though.

Most of what we regard as moral and ethical behaviour has its roots in Christianity, to some degree or another.
In Western Civilization of course.

PaulSacramento wrote: Sure there are some "universals" like "do unto others as you would have them to unto you", that transcend any specific culture BUT the notion of Compassion, for example, is very Christian.

PaulSacramento wrote: That said, I don't think that atheist that agree with the morals they have been brought up in and are exposed to that are Christian at their core, think that those moral ARE religious. They probably believe that religion is an expression of those moral and that those morals transcend religion.

Such as… When you say a moral behavior has its roots in Christianity, you are saying this moral behavior did not exist prior to Christianity. So which moral behaviors observed by “western civilization” did not exist prior to Christianity?

Naaww, “compassion” is universal as well; people have been showing compassion towards one another long before Jesus or Christianity.

PaulSacramento wrote:

Not sure if moral "parasite" is the right term.
It may be a valid description, though.

It is vivid all right. You actually are "not sure", but think it might be the right term? Prease clarify.

Most of what we regard as moral and ethical behaviour has its roots in Christianity, to some degree or another.

We?

In Western Civilization of course.
Sure there are some "universals" like "do unto others as you would have them to unto you", that transcend any specific culture BUT the notion of Compassion, for example, is very Christian.

so is eating supper.

That said, I don't think that atheist that agree with the morals they have been brought up in and are exposed to that are Christian at their core

Oh? Thios one does not agree with that.

, think that those moral ARE religious. They probably believe that religion is an expression of those moral and that those morals transcend religion.

Transcend in the sense that religions are parasitic.

PaulSacramento wrote:Religions are parasitic?
Well, I don't think that something abstract ie: non-material, can be parasitic.
People can of course and something like religion or ANY ideology can be used in a parasitic way.

Audie wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:Religions are parasitic?
Well, I don't think that something abstract ie: non-material, can be parasitic.
People can of course and something like religion or ANY ideology can be used in a parasitic way.

We could get into semantics, but I am satisfied that you at least dont go with that mean spirited crap about atheists as moral parasites.

PaulSacramento wrote:

Audie wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:Religions are parasitic?
Well, I don't think that something abstract ie: non-material, can be parasitic.
People can of course and something like religion or ANY ideology can be used in a parasitic way.

We could get into semantics, but I am satisfied that you at least dont go with that mean spirited crap about atheists as moral parasites.

I find the wording offensive even IF the description MAY be correct of some.
I know very few atheists that do NOT give Christianity is due in regards to its positive influence on morals and science in western civilization.
The problem is that the small percentage that DON'T are the most vocal !

Such as… When you say a moral behavior has its roots in Christianity, you are saying this moral behavior did not exist prior to Christianity. So which moral behaviors observed by “western civilization” did not exist prior to Christianity?

PaulSacramento wrote: More like it was "codified" I guess.

Naaww, “compassion” is universal as well; people have been showing compassion towards one another long before Jesus or Christianity.

PaulSacramento wrote: Didn't say they didn't, I said that it is VERY Christian and of all the religions and ideologies, Christianity focus on compassion far more than any other.

PaulSacramento wrote: Christianity is Not about morals per say, though it certainly has a very strong moral center.
Christian was already under a moral code from before they became Christians.
Sure their codes varied from Judaism to Paganism to simply following the Laws that was imposed on them by the society they lived in, but there was a base to work from.
The base, however, was TYPICALLY tribal and not universal as was the case with Christianity.
While most moral codes were applicable only to the "tribe" or "group" ( Even Viking berserkers had a code amongst themselves, though it did not apply to others), Christianity was unique that the moral extended to ALL ( or should ) AND that it was a STARTING point and not an end.